Chris Kirk on Indefinite Leave from Tour

[Vinsk]

Chris Kirk takes leave of absence from PGA Tour for alcohol abuse, depression

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Chris Kirk announced on Tuesday that he's stepping away from golf after issues with alcohol abuse and depression.

Damn. You just never can tell I guess. Hope he finds the help he needs.

[iacas]

Good luck to him. The only question I might have is whether this counts, under PGA Tour regulations, as a medical leave.

[pganapathy]

24 minutes ago, iacas said:

Good luck to him. The only question I might have is whether this counts, under PGA Tour regulations, as a medical leave.

The depression may count as medical leave if he is lucky, but I don't think the alcoholism should.  I would have to say that is a self-inflicted wound and not deserving of a medical leave.  Anyway, best of luck to him

[iacas]

35 minutes ago, pganapathy said:

The depression may count as medical leave if he is lucky, but I don't think the alcoholism should.  I would have to say that is a self-inflicted wound and not deserving of a medical leave.  Anyway, best of luck to him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

 

Just sayin'.

[colin007]

Good luck to him. I struggle with my use of alcohol and I'm glad it's not worse

[ncates00]

2 hours ago, pganapathy said:

The depression may count as medical leave if he is lucky, but I don't think the alcoholism should.  I would have to say that is a self-inflicted wound and not deserving of a medical leave.  Anyway, best of luck to him

It could go either way today.  Traditionally it's been looked at as behavioral, but the current trend is to treat it as medical.

[Shindig]

I wish him the best.  I hope they are considering it medical leave. 

[pganapathy]

On 5/8/2019 at 7:16 AM, ncates00 said:

It could go either way today.  Traditionally it's been looked at as behavioral, but the current trend is to treat it as medical.

That is a bullshit call.  Learn to take responsibility for your actions.  This is more about being PC.  Kinda like giving all participants a medal at a race.  It is a race.  Whoever comes first deserves gold.  A participation medal is different to a prize winning medal. ☹️

[iacas]

Just now, pganapathy said:

That is a bullshit call.  Learn to take responsibility for your actions.  This is more about being PC.  Kinda like giving all participants a medal at a race.  It is a race.  Whoever comes first deserves gold.  A participation medal is different to a prize winning medal. ☹️

Get with the times, dude.

[pganapathy]

12 minutes ago, iacas said:

Get with the times, dude.

Just because we are in a world where being PC is considered right, doesn't mean a person stops taking responsibility for their actions.  If you are an alcoholic, like for example John Daly, accept that you lost many tournaments you could have won.  I am big on a person taking responsibility for their actions.  If not, who is responsible for your failures.  Is it really somebody else's fault if you do badly.  Bull shit

[rehmwa]

High cholesteral is a medical condition that the individual is also responsible for.  Many heart conditions, I'd argue lung cancer for smokers.  Broken limbs, etc etc etc etc

for that matter, a 'self inflicted wound' is still a medical condition.  WTF?

Calling it a medical condition does NOT equate to disclaiming personal responsibility for the condition.  That's a crappy and false connection.  It indicates passing judgment without the facts.

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by rehmwa

[iacas]

13 minutes ago, pganapathy said:

Just because we are in a world where being PC is considered right,

Got nothing to do with being "PC," man.

I'm big on personal responsibility, too. But this is a medical condition, and by taking a leave of absence and focusing on getting healthy from his disorders, I could argue that he is taking responsibility.

[paperclip]

10 hours ago, pganapathy said:

Just because we are in a world where being PC is considered right, doesn't mean a person stops taking responsibility for their actions.  If you are an alcoholic, like for example John Daly, accept that you lost many tournaments you could have won.  I am big on a person taking responsibility for their actions.  If not, who is responsible for your failures.  Is it really somebody else's fault if you do badly.  Bull shit

Where did he say that he is not taking responsibility for his actions?  Where did it say he is not responsible for his failures?  How is he making this someone else's fault?

He admitted he had a problem and was seeking help.  That is not taking responsibility?

You are WAY off base.  By the way, the medical community regards this as a disease and treats it like such.

[ncates00]

On 5/9/2019 at 2:41 PM, pganapathy said:

That is a bullshit call.  Learn to take responsibility for your actions.  This is more about being PC.  Kinda like giving all participants a medal at a race.  It is a race.  Whoever comes first deserves gold.  A participation medal is different to a prize winning medal. ☹️

Buddy you’re barking up the wrong tree. I’m a pretty conservative person and much in line with “take responsibility for your own actions” as it gets. You’re off base here and don’t know what you’re talking about. Yes, it is a decision people make. I agree. But people get addicted and it becomes a medical issue. Just like smoking or diabetes that isn’t inherited and kinds of other things- they’re behavior based but are medical issues. If you can’t see that then you need to learn a little bit more about healthcare and biology.

[leftybutnotPM]

On 5/8/2019 at 8:52 AM, pganapathy said:

The depression may count as medical leave if he is lucky, but I don't think the alcoholism should.  I would have to say that is a self-inflicted wound and not deserving of a medical leave.  Anyway, best of luck to him

Would that mean that if a person broke their arm whilst drunk they would be undeserving of medical treatment? Isn't it the condition and not the cause that is relevant ion this case?

[GolfLug]

Seems like a voluntary leave. In my book that IS taking responsibility.

[DrMJG]

The ADA act states alcohol addiction is a condition and not an action.  So it must be taken up as a health care issue.  If you think this is just PC, time to catch up with the laws since the 1990's.  Don't like the law, try to get congress to change and good luck with that!

[Herkimer]

How ignorant, cruel and insensitive the PGA would have been if they had denied this man a medical leave.  Good for him for trying to get better.