LIV Golf Now Closed?

[GaLefty]

21 hours ago, jxdama said:

MSN

The  best  course  of action for the  PGA now  is to make a  deal with LIV and  move  on.

I'm afraid you're right.  The sooner the better, also.  This is a war the PGA tour can't win.

[Big C]

I'm actually surprised it took this long for the next domino to fall. The minute the Tour announced it was entering into a partnership with the PIF, it's basically a tacit admission that all their grandstanding about ethics and "doing the right" thing was just a facade. 

I'm sad to see the news, but I don't begrudge Rahm. He's going to earn 10x his lifetime salary in 3 years. And he probably figured that since he's going to be in business with the PIF - either directly or indirectly - why not take the massive payday while it's there. 

[GaLefty]

2 hours ago, Big C said:

The minute the Tour announced it was entering into a partnership with the PIF, it's basically a tacit admission that all their grandstanding about ethics and "doing the right" thing was just a facade. 

 

I'm not sure the tour really had a choice.  The Saudis have an unlimited legal budget, too.  They were going to litigate the tour into bolivian as Mike Tyson once said.  If they are using sports to whitewash their reputation, in my eyes, it is having the opposite effect.

[Vinsk]

3 hours ago, Big C said:

The minute the Tour announced it was entering into a partnership with the PIF, it's basically a tacit admission that all their grandstanding about ethics and "doing the right" thing was just a facade

So Rahm was pissed at the PGAT and felt betrayed. Of course when the offer was 300M he remained loyal to the PGAT, but when 500+M came…yeah…he was really pissed at the PGAT.😃

[Big C]

1 hour ago, GaLefty said:

I'm not sure the tour really had a choice.  The Saudis have an unlimited legal budget, too.  They were going to litigate the tour into bolivian as Mike Tyson once said.  If they are using sports to whitewash their reputation, in my eyes, it is having the opposite effect.

That may be true. Perhaps the partnership was the best of several bad options they had available to them. 

But it's easy to see how it could make it easier for the big name players to say "screw it" and take the money. 

[jxdama]

13 hours ago, GaLefty said:

I'm afraid you're right.  The sooner the better, also.  This is a war the PGA tour can't win.

Finau and Hatton reported to be  in talks to join Liv. 

[GaLefty]

I've heard Homa too.  I think they know they can get a big payday and still be back on the PGA tour soon.

[ChetlovesMer]

23 hours ago, StuM said:

I get what you are saying, but not a good measure. Once your mortgage is paid off your taxes would no longer be twice your mortgage. 

Ha ha, fair enough. 

You are, of course, correct.

That was more me just bitching about how high property tax is where I live than really adding to the conversation. ... I try not to miss any opportunities to bitch about how high my taxes are. It's a bit of a sore spot with me. 

[Vinsk]

Unfortunately whatever’s been said by PGAT players apparently means nothing until it does.

[StuM]

41 minutes ago, ChetlovesMer said:

Ha ha, fair enough. 

You are, of course, correct.

That was more me just bitching about how high property tax is where I live than really adding to the conversation. ... I try not to miss any opportunities to bitch about how high my taxes are. It's a bit of a sore spot with me. 

Np, I know “off topic” but I have lived in the same house since 1994 am due to caps on tax increases and a well timed challenge of my assessment after the financial crises my taxes are real low relative to many.

now, on topic, even Rory has softened and suggested Rahm should be on next Ryder Cup and also said overall they need to “Let bygones be bygones”. 

Edited December 10, 2023 by StuM

[jxdama]

2 hours ago, GaLefty said:

I've heard Homa too.  I think they know they can get a big payday and still be back on the PGA tour soon.

If Homa, Finau, and Hatton go then the  PGA can actually  have a  very  profitable  weekly tv  format. Pay  Tiger Woods to play  a  practice round every  sunday  and  pay him 2 million to televise his every shot  and  just tell everyone else to stay home  or  go to LIV. 

[iacas]

28 minutes ago, jxdama said:

If Homa, Finau, and Hatton go then the  PGA can actually  have a  very  profitable  weekly tv  format. Pay  Tiger Woods to play  a  practice round every  sunday  and  pay him 2 million to televise his every shot  and  just tell everyone else to stay home  or  go to LIV. 

Your track record is unbroken, but your record is broken.

You say something dumb every time you post. 😛 

[Moxley]

Looks like the momentum is behind Liv again, maybe soon golf will unite behind it and we'll have something interesting outside of the majors again 👍

[turtleback]

I'm just glad I've lived my life during the golden years of the Nicklaus/Tiger era, because as far as I'm concerned it has turned into manure, driven by greed and hypocrisy.

[StuM]

58 minutes ago, turtleback said:

I'm just glad I've lived my life during the golden years of the Nicklaus/Tiger era, because as far as I'm concerned it has turned into manure, driven by greed and hypocrisy.

Do not take the following personal.

You sound a lot like my father did when I was young.  Things were always "Better before" and currently things are "Stupid bad" and of course to me as a teenager/young adult everything seemed normal and I felt he was "Out of touch".  Now, I am saying things similar to you about how much better it was before and I can't believe how bad some things have become....and if I had kids I would suspect they would be thinking I am old and out of touch.  Change is inevitable and not always to our liking.

[Moxley]

4 hours ago, StuM said:

Do not take the following personal.

You sound a lot like my father did when I was young.  Things were always "Better before" and currently things are "Stupid bad" and of course to me as a teenager/young adult everything seemed normal and I felt he was "Out of touch".  Now, I am saying things similar to you about how much better it was before and I can't believe how bad some things have become....and if I had kids I would suspect they would be thinking I am old and out of touch.  Change is inevitable and not always to our liking.

Very fair, I can also have a tendency to think that way, and it's struck me too that it's maybe a generational thing. 

 

I don't necessarily think things will end up worse, and I also think LIV have some interesting ideas while the PGA were too old fashioned. All that said , I think getting there is going to involve several lost years for the sport, and I get the dismay some are expressing.

[StuM]

1 hour ago, Moxley said:

Very fair, I can also have a tendency to think that way, and it's struck me too that it's maybe a generational thing. 

 

I don't necessarily think things will end up worse, and I also think LIV have some interesting ideas while the PGA were too old fashioned. All that said , I think getting there is going to involve several lost years for the sport, and I get the dismay some are expressing.

Same here.  I know others here hate it, but I like the shotgun start idea.  Gets more golfer on the course quicker & and shortens length of time to show the tournament.  All too often coverage starts well into the round and you miss a lot of the early golfers.  Of course, the coverage needs to actually show them and drop the fluff pieces.  We should be able to see more actual golf in the same tv time allotment.

Edited December 11, 2023 by StuM

[GolfLug]

7 hours ago, StuM said:

Do not take the following personal.

You sound a lot like my father did when I was young.  Things were always "Better before" and currently things are "Stupid bad" and of course to me as a teenager/young adult everything seemed normal and I felt he was "Out of touch".  Now, I am saying things similar to you about how much better it was before and I can't believe how bad some things have become....and if I had kids I would suspect they would be thinking I am old and out of touch.  Change is inevitable and not always to our liking.

Nah, I'm with him. I don't think it's grandpa pooh-poohing progress. Not a whole lot of kids finding LIV cool or adapting it as progress. Golf play has been up viewership has been declining to begin with. This LIV BS makes it even more lame.

3 hours ago, Moxley said:

I don't necessarily think things will end up worse, and I also think LIV have some interesting ideas while the PGA were too old fashioned. All that said , I think getting there is going to involve several lost years for the sport, and I get the dismay some are expressing.

That's the problem. No evidence of any of LIV ideas being interesting enough to claim improvement on poor 'old fashioned' PGAT.

Pro golf seems to be heading to no man's land. Maybe like tennis, where people only care about it four times a year. Rest of it not very compelling. 

Thank God golf is alive and well with the weekend bourgeois.