LIV Golf (Saudi PIF), "Mergers," and More

[mcanadiens]

10 hours ago, dennyjones said:

I guess we'd have to be Rory to know his intent.

Some stuff I read this morning quote Rory as saying he did intentionally ignore Reed, but wasn't aware of the thrown tee until others told him about it.

Rory McIlroy defends blanking Patrick Reed in Dubai tee-throwing incident | Rory McIlroy | The Guardian

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Rory McIlroy has insisted he was well within his rights to ignore Patrick Reed after reports surfaced that the American had tossed a golf tee at the world No 1

 

[Indy-Archer]

On 1/23/2023 at 3:10 PM, mdl said:

Are women even allowed to play golf in the land of the house of Saud? Even if they are, the dudes in charge surely don't want to spend their money promoting servant/slave class (women) sports.

And as long as MBS thinks it's a good idea there is infinite money to keep LIV going. I won't watch but among golfers I've asked I'm in the minority. And I'm in Portland, where I assume even golfers are, on average, more liberal and thus more inclined to care about whether the league directly supports an evil dictatorship. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I think they've got a long runway left at minimum.

Do a search for internment camps and torture of muslims in China. Then look to see where most golf components come from. 

Kinda hard to see anyone taking the moral high ground by complaining about the Saudis. And don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO affinity for the Saudis. We just have to watch where those fingers are pointing. Should also be boycotting Titleist, TM, Callaway, etc... China probably has the worst ongoing human rights record in history. 

[iacas]

6 hours ago, Indy-Archer said:

Do a search for internment camps and torture of muslims in China. Then look to see where most golf components come from. 

Kinda hard to see anyone taking the moral high ground by complaining about the Saudis. And don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO affinity for the Saudis. We just have to watch where those fingers are pointing. Should also be boycotting Titleist, TM, Callaway, etc... China probably has the worst ongoing human rights record in history. 

Nope. Sorry. Big difference.

LIV is literally the Saudi government funding it directly. Titleist isn't funded directly by China or whatever. If we applied that strategy to everything, we wouldn't be able to do anything.

Big difference.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

6 hours ago, Indy-Archer said:

Do a search for internment camps and torture of muslims in China. Then look to see where most golf components come from. 

Kinda hard to see anyone taking the moral high ground by complaining about the Saudis. And don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO affinity for the Saudis. We just have to watch where those fingers are pointing. Should also be boycotting Titleist, TM, Callaway, etc... China probably has the worst ongoing human rights record in history. 

That may be true in some ways and you'll get no argument from me about China and in some ways there are parallels to the Saudi's. However the Chinese aren't trying to polish poop like the Saudi's are with this sportswashing filth.  Plus murdering a journalist from a US company. Plus potential SA government operative ties to 9/11 attacks that was reported last year.

On top of that a government sponsored sports league with unlimited funds and no fiscal responsibility that is in direct competition with a self-funded, member organization like the PGAT.

 

Collectively that makes me loathe LIV leadership, its participants and anyone otherwise supporting it. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by BlackDiamondPar5

[mdl]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

8 hours ago, Indy-Archer said:

Do a search for internment camps and torture of muslims in China. Then look to see where most golf components come from. 

Kinda hard to see anyone taking the moral high ground by complaining about the Saudis. And don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO affinity for the Saudis. We just have to watch where those fingers are pointing. Should also be boycotting Titleist, TM, Callaway, etc... China probably has the worst ongoing human rights record in history. 

Nope. Sorry. Big difference.

LIV is literally the Saudi government funding it directly. Titleist isn't funded directly by China or whatever. If we applied that strategy to everything, we wouldn't be able to do anything.

Big difference.

Beat me to it. This logic is so tiresome. Let's try applying it another way!

American urban design and geography makes driving a car a necessity for most. The Islamic Front gets a lot of their funds from stealing oil from pipelines and selling it on the black market. So you have to buy gas and you're already funding the Islamic Front. Thus living in America and sending donations directly to Islamic Front cells are morally equivalent! I'm so logical and smart!

[iacas]

Okay, also, this is f***ing nothing:

I can't believe anyone made a big deal out of that, or if that's what was the "talk of the range." That's nothing. Even if the tee was a "LIV Golf" tee or whatever.

Also, it's not like Patrick stood there for three minutes or anything.

The entire video is 12 seconds long, and includes him walking up and leaving.

[Vinsk]

55 minutes ago, iacas said:

I can't believe anyone made a big deal out of that

I get what you’re saying. But it’s pretty easy to believe. Media loves this stuff.

[GolfLug]

32 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

I get what you’re saying. But it’s pretty easy to believe. Media loves this stuff.

Yeah, the articles made me picture an all out brawl. I mean, I so wanted it to.. 😂

[Vinsk]

So Reed has Rory served a subpoena on Christmas Eve then expects him to shake his hand on the course? Absolute douche bag. 

[Dinglegolf]

10 hours ago, iacas said:

Okay, also, this is f***ing nothing:

I can't believe anyone made a big deal out of that, or if that's what was the "talk of the range." That's nothing. Even if the tee was a "LIV Golf" tee or whatever.

Also, it's not like Patrick stood there for three minutes or anything.

The entire video is 12 seconds long, and includes him walking up and leaving.

 

This is as good as going as you are going get from golfers.  Hockey players drop the gloves then go toe-to-toe while balancing on skates; golfers give each other the silent treatment and act in a manner not befitting a "gentleman".

 

 

[boogielicious]

I was expecting the Happy Gilmore fight scene. 

[DeadMan]

8 hours ago, Vinsk said:

So Reed has Rory served a subpoena on Christmas Eve then expects him to shake his hand on the course? Absolute douche bag. 

The subpoena actually isn't related to Reed's case. Reed's lawyer is suing the PGA Tour in a different case, and the lawyer served the subpoena on Rory for that case.

To be fair, Reed using that lawyer - Larry Klayman - in the first place says only bad things. Klayman probably should not be allowed to practice law anymore. 

[Vinsk]

6 hours ago, DeadMan said:

The subpoena actually isn't related to Reed's case. Reed's lawyer is suing the PGA Tour in a different case, and the lawyer served the subpoena on Rory for that case.

To be fair, Reed using that lawyer - Larry Klayman - in the first place says only bad things. Klayman probably should not be allowed to practice law anymore. 

Soooo, Reed’s a douche bag.😄

[mcanadiens]

11 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Soooo, Reed’s a douche bag.😄

He can't believe you just wrote that. 

[Missouri Swede]

1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

Soooo, Reed’s a douche bag.😄

Expect a visitor with some paperwork for you in the near future.

[GolfLug]

8 hours ago, DeadMan said:

Klayman probably should not be allowed to practice law anymore. 

Is that the guy who sued his own mother? 

[mdl]

22 hours ago, Vinsk said:

I get what you’re saying. But it’s pretty easy to believe. Media [People] loves this stuff.

Minor correction TBH, I got a chuckle out of it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[iacas]

LIV Golf players unwelcome at prestigious Seminole Pro-Member event

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The field for the Pro-Member is often the envy of many Tour stops.