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[iacas]

CDC, FDA lift pause on Johnson & Johnson vaccine with warning of risks

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Food and Drug Administration have lifted a 10-day pause on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but will issue a fact sheet to medical providers warning them of...

Shouldn't have stopped them in the meantime, but the sooner they fix that mistake the better.

[Double Mocha Man]

The vaccinating public is fickle.  Johnson & Johnson will now be a hard sell.  This will limit the ability to get more of the population vaccinated.  Most of those left to be vaccinated are under 50 years of age.  If you're a woman under 50 you probably won't accept Johnson & Johnson.  Even though blood clots are a one-in-a-million probability with the vaccine.  And I just heard on NPR that they are releasing it with a disclaimer speaking to that.

[RFKFREAK]

2 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

The vaccinating public is fickle.  Johnson & Johnson will now be a hard sell.  This will limit the ability to get more of the population vaccinated.  Most of those left to be vaccinated are under 50 years of age.  If you're a woman under 50 you probably won't accept Johnson & Johnson.  Even though blood clots are a one-in-a-million probability with the vaccine.  And I just heard on NPR that they are releasing it with a disclaimer speaking to that.

Yeah, but if you don't have to risk it, why would you when there are other options available?

I personally stayed away from J&J b/c it wasn't as effective as the other two so even though I had to get two shots, I was ok with it because I'd rather be more protected.

[saevel25]

5 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

Yeah, but if you don't have to risk it, why would you when there are other options available?

I personally stayed away from J&J b/c it wasn't as effective as the other two so even though I had to get two shots, I was ok with it because I'd rather be more protected.

Because some places don’t offer all options. The place I went to only had Moderna option. 

[Double Mocha Man]

7 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

Yeah, but if you don't have to risk it, why would you when there are other options available?

That's what I'm saying.  It essentially cuts down on the availability of the vaccine, thus stretching out reaching herd immunity.  Now, in communities where there's not another option, many people won't take it.

[RFKFREAK]

Just now, saevel25 said:

Because some places don’t offer all options. The place I went to only had Moderna option. 

Good point, I should have said "if."

I also haven't followed the rollout that closely and haven't informed myself much on the rollout of the vaccines in different parts of the country.  I've only really followed the rollout in NY where I live.

Just now, Double Mocha Man said:

That's what I'm saying.  It essentially cuts down on the availability of the vaccine, thus stretching out reaching herd immunity.  Now, in communities where there's not another option, many people won't take it.

Yup, where I live, we have all the choices available to us which is a luxury.

[iacas]

31 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

I personally stayed away from J&J b/c it wasn't as effective as the other two…

Not really true.

[RFKFREAK]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Not really true.

My understanding was the efficacy was in the 70%-80% range whereas Moderna and Pfizer was greater than 90%.

Either way, because I had the option of which way to go, I went with what I felt more comfortable with.

[Vinsk]

7 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

My understanding was the efficacy was in the 70%-80% range whereas Moderna and Pfizer was greater than 90%.

Either way, because I had the option of which way to go, I went with what I felt more comfortable with.

It’s way too early to be able to accurately compare vaccines. It’s damn near speculation this early on.

[RFKFREAK]

Just now, Vinsk said:

It’s way too early to be able to accurately compare vaccines. It’s damn near speculation this early on.

Maybe...but at the time it made me feel more comfortable.

[iacas]

26 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

My understanding was the efficacy was in the 70%-80% range whereas Moderna and Pfizer was greater than 90%.

Either way, because I had the option of which way to go, I went with what I felt more comfortable with.

They weren't tested at the same time, or in the same settings, with the same test subjects, etc.

You can't definitively or even reasonably say much about the efficacy of any of them compared to the others.

[iacas]

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The emerging data confirms what many of us thought would be the case—that not only do the vaccines stop symptomatic COVID, but they also make it highly unlikely that someone can even be infected at all.

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals

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New data indicate that COVID-19 vaccines stop symptomatic COVID and make it highly unlikely that...

 

[Shorty]

On 4/24/2021 at 9:23 AM, RFKFREAK said:

Yeah, but if you don't have to risk it, why would you when there are other options available?

I personally stayed away from J&J b/c it wasn't as effective as the other two so even though I had to get two shots, I was ok with it because I'd rather be more protected.

Jeeez. Where on earth do you people get your information? This kind of commentary is dangerous because not only is it ill-informed it can impact upon the thought processes of folk who think they're being given useful information.

[nevets88]

Vox has a great explainer on efficacy rates. Also from what I’m hearing, the efficacy rate in real life vs clinical trials is one of the amazing things about the vaccines, they did better IRL, usually the other way around. I forget which ones. I would take any of the vaccines (paranoid me would want Moderna for its less stringent storage requirements if given a choice) but I’m not so sure about the Chinese or Russian vaccines. The development of the mRNA method is a fascinating read. 
 

 

[nevets88]

Oh yeah, free Krispy Kreme donut a day if you show your card. 
 

Got vaccinated? Here's all the free stuff you can get

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After surviving a fear-filled year of the Covid-19 pandemic, getting vaccinated is a cause for...

 

[saevel25]

1 hour ago, nevets88 said:

Oh yeah, free Krispy Kreme donut a day if you show your card. 
 

Got vaccinated? Here's all the free stuff you can get

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After surviving a fear-filled year of the Covid-19 pandemic, getting...

 

I like it, incentives run the world. 

[David in FL]

3 hours ago, nevets88 said:

Oh yeah, free Krispy Kreme donut a day if you show your card. 
 

Got vaccinated? Here's all the free stuff you can get

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After surviving a fear-filled year of the Covid-19 pandemic, getting vaccinated is a cause for...

 

Well, there you go!  For those that “survived a fear-filled year”.

I’m glad someone cares about those poor souls.   😁

[Yukari]

On 4/23/2021 at 5:23 PM, RFKFREAK said:

Yeah, but if you don't have to risk it, why would you when there are other options available?

I personally stayed away from J&J b/c it wasn't as effective as the other two so even though I had to get two shots, I was ok with it because I'd rather be more protected.

 

On 4/23/2021 at 5:59 PM, RFKFREAK said:

My understanding was the efficacy was in the 70%-80% range whereas Moderna and Pfizer was greater than 90%.

Either way, because I had the option of which way to go, I went with what I felt more comfortable with.

As @nevets88 posted, the settings for clinical trials are way different for J&J and Pfizer/Moderna.  You cannot compare the results as it is like comparing apples to oranges.

I actually wanted J&J because it was tested when variants were running wild and because of one-and-done, but they stopped using J&J a couple of days before my scheduled shot and they changed mine to Pfizer.  

I will take whatever is available, but I specifically signed up for J&J