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  On 2/25/2022 at 3:12 PM, JPitts said:

Are you are referring to the comment stating that no data has been presented by me or anyone else on this site? If so, please explain is not a direct question, but allow me to do so. As I stated in an above post, many other golf forums and youtube channels have done reviews and testing. I could post some links to those, but I am not sure how that is received in here. I know that the TXG guys did a very good review on the putter and went pretty in depth. 

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Please provide data you claim to exist. You don’t need to link to other sites. You claiming raving reviews on other sites is juvenile and makes you look ignorant of actual data…if there is any actual data. At this point you are making the putter look less credible, not more.

*Reviews are NOT considered data. As an “MIT grad” you should understand that.

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I was actually thinking about this putter last night during the first intermission and had this thought.

Maybe it is silly. 

With the shaft square in the middle like that, what is the risk of getting the shanks with your irons? I've noticed how very subtle differences in my perception of things can really mess with my golf swing. However well the putter does on the green, I'd worry that my shaft (and hosel) might creep closer to the ball with my other clubs.

 

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For me any putter works well for somebody depending on their putting swing.  The only requirement is the face is level.  Remember an article a few months back about some pro who realised his putter insert was slightly damaged from so much use that he occasionally got funny shots because the position on the face where the ball struck was dented or damaged.  He figured it out by placing his credit card against the face and saw some gaps.  So no matter what putter is out there, somebody will definitely benefit from it

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  On 2/25/2022 at 4:39 PM, mcanadiens said:

I was actually thinking about this putter last night during the first intermission and had this thought.

Maybe it is silly. 

With the shaft square in the middle like that, what is the risk of getting the shanks with your irons? I've noticed how very subtle differences in my perception of things can really mess with my golf swing. However well the putter does on the green, I'd worry that my shaft (and hosel) might creep closer to the ball with my other clubs.

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I’m confused. Are you saying having a putter with the shaft coming out of the middle of the head would make you subconsciously swing your irons with the hosel closer to the ball?

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  On 2/25/2022 at 5:35 PM, billchao said:

I’m confused. Are you saying having a putter with the shaft coming out of the middle of the head would make you subconsciously swing your irons with the hosel closer to the ball?

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Right. 

I'm wondering if the optics of the shaft aligning with the ball on the putter might mess with my perception when it comes to my other, normally shafted, clubs.

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  On 2/25/2022 at 5:35 PM, billchao said:

I’m confused. Are you saying having a putter with the shaft coming out of the middle of the head would make you subconsciously swing your irons with the hosel closer to the ball?

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He is, and I think that's really unlikely.

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  On 2/25/2022 at 5:58 PM, iacas said:

He is, and I think that's really unlikely.

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  On 2/25/2022 at 5:46 PM, mcanadiens said:

Right. 

I'm wondering if the optics of the shaft aligning with the ball on the putter might mess with my perception when it comes to my other, normally shafted, clubs.

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Ok. I think it’s unlikely, too. Different club, different motion, different intent. 

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  On 2/25/2022 at 8:15 PM, billchao said:

Ok. I think it’s unlikely, too. Different club, different motion, different intent. 

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Different grip (usually), different stance (hope so!), etc.

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  On 2/25/2022 at 8:15 PM, billchao said:

Ok. I think it’s unlikely, too. Different club, different motion, different intent. 

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Ok.

Just one of those goofy thoughts that run through my head sometimes. 

 

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  On 2/25/2022 at 10:02 PM, mcanadiens said:

Ok.

Just one of those goofy thoughts that run through my head sometimes. 

 

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It's crazy the things that can creep into our minds while standing over a golf ball. 

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  On 2/25/2022 at 11:54 PM, JPitts said:

It's crazy the things that can creep into our minds while standing over a golf ball. 

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It's crazy the things people can claim on the internet without evidence or proof to back up their claims.

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  On 2/24/2022 at 7:27 PM, boogielicious said:

I’m glad the OP likes the putter, but this looks like something I made in metal shop in junior high back in ‘73.

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This looks like an uglier version of the PXG Mustang Putter. 

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PXG's mustang makes all the same boasts as the LAB Mezz, but in a much prettier package. 

Plus, you can pick up a Mustang for about 150 bucks. 

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  On 3/11/2022 at 10:20 AM, ChetlovesMer said:

but in a much prettier package. 

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U-G-L-Y You ain’t got no alibi! You ugly! You ugly!

That is a hideous putter. Looks like a dust bin.

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  On 3/11/2022 at 11:12 AM, boogielicious said:

That is a hideous putter. Looks like a dust bin.

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The LAB or The PXG? 

I kinda like the PXG ... but as you know, I like shiny things. 

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  On 3/11/2022 at 11:49 AM, ChetlovesMer said:

The LAB or The PXG? 

I kinda like the PXG ... but as you know, I like shiny things. 

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PXG. Does it come with the brush or is that separate?😜

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  On 3/11/2022 at 11:50 AM, boogielicious said:

PXG. Does it come with the brush or is that separate?😜

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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ... I mean, my mom thinks I'm handsome.... 🤣
Having said that, I'll get back to the topic.

I was actually just trying to point out that LAB is not the first to make a super high MOI center shafted putter. 

I do think they've set the ugly bar pretty high. :beer:

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  • 1 year later...

Looks like LAB golf is going to be sticking around for quite some time. Lots of tour players using it now, and none of them are paid to play it. Pretty cool to see a small company doing so well in a really tough market to get into (as far as tour use goes). Wishing them all the best and am excited to see what they come out with next. 


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