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Just now, iacas said:

You probably play the same course frequently, too. I do it a few minutes before.

Today at Mid-Pines it took about two minutes. But at Mid-South (after we played Talamore in the morning), it took literally 15 seconds.

If you change areas, it has to do more work. But that's why I said the first thing.

I also didn't load anything on my phone when I traveled. Not that you had to with GAME Golf, either. And with GG you only got blinking lights to let you know if you were on the course and GPS locked. This at least tells you on the screen.

I've gotten where I turn it on when I start warming up or even sometimes as I arrive at the course. The battery life is good enough that I don't worry about it running out of juice. Like I said not really a big deal, it just took some getting used to, because I normally just turned them on as I arrived at the tee box.

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11 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

I've gotten where I turn it on when I start warming up or even sometimes as I arrive at the course. The battery life is good enough that I don't worry about it running out of juice. Like I said not really a big deal, it just took some getting used to, because I normally just turned them on as I arrived at the tee box.

Game Golf wouldn’t get the GPS right away if I turned it on at the tee box, either. So I guess I’m just saying I’m used to it. I turn all my GPS devices on a few minutes before I get to the box.

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23 minutes ago, billchao said:

Game Golf wouldn’t get the GPS right away if I turned it on at the tee box, either. So I guess I’m just saying I’m used to it. I turn all my GPS devices on a few minutes before I get to the box.

This is what I do.   I have a Phantom and the H4.   When I get out of the car, I turn on both devices and I've never had an issue.    I've played 10 different course w/o incident.   Although today, because I was rushing out to play a round from Golfnow, I left the H4 at home!

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Mine arrived today. The extra 15 percent off was a nice perk. The delivery time didn't seem to bad. Now I'm anxious to get out there and play. 

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On 7/7/2022 at 8:16 PM, ChetlovesMer said:

Mine arrived today. The extra 15 percent off was a nice perk. The delivery time didn't seem to bad. Now I'm anxious to get out there and play. 

When did you order it?

I ordered mine 7/1 and never got a email with tracking info

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7 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

When did you order it?

I ordered mine 7/1 and never got a email with tracking info

I also never got an email with tracking info.  I went to my mailbox today on a whim (I almost never go unless I'm out walking anyway, as it's mostly junk mail, and it's a block away) and it was there.

I'm playing tomorrow, so I won't be installing it until afterward.  Maybe I should take it as a GPS anyway.

I ordered Jun 30 and got an email July 4 saying it was accepted and processed for shipping.

The box is smaller than I thought it would be. 

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8 minutes ago, Shindig said:

I also never got an email with tracking info.  I went to my mailbox today on a whim (I almost never go unless I'm out walking anyway, as it's mostly junk mail, and it's a block away) and it was there.

I'm playing tomorrow, so I won't be installing it until afterward.  Maybe I should take it as a GPS anyway.

I ordered Jun 30 and got an email July 4 saying it was accepted and processed for shipping.

The box is smaller than I thought it would be. 

You inspired me to go down to my mailbox on the ground floor of my apartment building and guess what I found

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Unfortunately i failed to grab my clubs from the car 😂

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So I plug it in (to charge) and the screen immediately says to connect to app.  

I am not super fond of the charger, but I hope there's a good reason for it.  It's certainly better than the piece of my GG that broke off after a year that I kept on via tape.

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So, I'm not sure if this is what it's supposed to look like but i joined the leaderboard but don't see anything when I scroll through the tabs.Screenshot_20220709-213002.pngScreenshot_20220709-213007.png

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28 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

So, I'm not sure if this is what it's supposed to look like but i joined the leaderboard but don't see anything when I scroll through the tabs.Screenshot_20220709-213002.pngScreenshot_20220709-213007.png

Maybe it’s because you don’t have any data?

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1 hour ago, Shindig said:

I am not super fond of the charger, but I hope there's a good reason for it.  It's certainly better than the piece of my GG that broke off after a year that I kept on via tape.

It's likely so that the device can remain waterproof. That's probably also a big reason why they didn't add a little speaker for any audible clicks or beeps or something. (Because those things are pretty inexpensive.) 

12 minutes ago, billchao said:

Maybe it’s because you don’t have any data?

Almost surely.

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Also got mine, was waiting in the mailbox when we got home from vacation yesterday.  Spent the night setting things up, hopefully will have a chance to test things out soon.

I joined the leaderboard as well, and also can't see anything on the mobile app, so I'm assuming it's because I haven't played yet.

I just finished screwing all the tags into each of my clubs and setting up the My Bag section...just to make sure I'm not missing something silly, there isn't any step to actually sync each tag to the device right?  When I actually get onto the course, the tags are already synced and ready to go?

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5 minutes ago, Friz said:

I just finished screwing all the tags into each of my clubs and setting up the My Bag section...just to make sure I'm not missing something silly, there isn't any step to actually sync each tag to the device right?  When I actually get onto the course, the tags are already synced and ready to go?

Correct.

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To clip the case to something on your bag or whatever.

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8 hours ago, RFKFREAK said:

What is this used for?

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Fishing lure.

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39 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

Fishing lure.

Huh? :blink:

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11 hours ago, RFKFREAK said:

When did you order it?

I ordered mine 7/1 and never got a email with tracking info

I ordered mine on the 30th. 

8 hours ago, RFKFREAK said:

What is this used for?

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Nose piercing? 

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