Tiger Woods Swing - Updated Australian Open

[MiniBlueDragon]

Tiger's always had a two-stage head dip throughout his career so it's clearly not affecting him. Also I believe he's been aiming for a clean one-plane swing, in which case the head dip isn't a problem anyway.

[bunkerputt]

Originally Posted by uttexas

Bubba Watson and Vijay hit lots of pull fades with the driver.[if IE]>

[newtogolf]

I remember an interview with Bubba where he said he has to work the ball because he can't hit it straight.

[michaeljames92]

I wouldn't but that is just what I read from people who saw him at the bridgestone and USPGA.

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

Of course they play fades, and you can do that well.  Those two are probably a different category of player though.  Bubba works the ball a lot, and is 161/185 in total distance efficiency.  Vijay is a little better at 24/185, for example.

Trackman data showed us that the best way to hit it straight and long with the driver is to hit up and out.  For every one degree of up, hit it one degree in-to-out.  With a square to open clubface, you get straight to push-fade.  Pull fade is hitting it with a shut clubface and a path that comes over and to the left in relation to it.  That's the least efficient way to swing the driver according to the data.  My point is, why would we strive to swing in the least efficient way?

[bunkerputt]

So Tiger trying to play a pull-fade seems a bit odd to me.  I'd be surprised if that were true.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

Trackman data showed us that the best way to hit it straight and long with the driver is to hit up and out.  For every one degree of up, hit it one degree in-to-out.

You're confusing a few things... or one thing anyway.

The most efficient way to hit a driver is on the upswing but with a path (the club's path at impact) dead square to the clubface. Not out.

Without getting into it the reason people say "one degree out for every degree up" is because they're saying your base plane line should be shifted right because your club's actual path or "resultant path" is one degree left for each degree up.

I think talking about "base planes" is borderline stupid, because nobody really cares about "base plane lines" - they care and "get" the path the clubhead is on at impact far more easily.

[mvmac]

Another swing, this one from the great Terry Rowles

[uttexas]

Most hip turn I've ever seen on a Tiger swing. Too much neck extension at address, could bring hands in a bit earlier, and still approaching the ball a hair under plane.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

Quote:

Originally Posted by uttexas

Bubba Watson and Vijay hit lots of pull fades with the driver.[if IE]>

[bunkerputt]

Originally Posted by iacas

You're confusing a few things... or one thing anyway.

Thanks for the clarification.  I actually had in mind a trackman video similar to what you guys put together where he was using a hula hoop to make the same explanation.  I said "in-to-out" meaning that the club head (for the driver when hit on the upswing) was traveling to the right of the intended line of flight.  I assumed that the face would be square to the path and that the path would be slightly more from the inside to compensate.  If I'm confused, let me know because I may have inadvertently confused those guys I was talking with.

[bunkerputt]

Tiger's missing left a lot...

[jamo]

Tiger's missing left a lot...

Given that big in-to-out path, I'd guess a lot of hooks.

[Zeph]

Given that "release", me too.

[RPMPIRE]

Terry Rowles always has great video on the web. I wish I was able to afford lessons from him since I live in SF.

I haven't been watching the coverage lately but I see Tiger's shots on Shotlink and it seems that with his current swing that he misses right and if he tries to make a correction he hooks it left. Just what I see from work...

Originally Posted by mvmac

Another swing, this one from the great Terry Rowles

[mvmac]

Hate to criticize more but....

Tiger had his chance to work with a guy that knows the importance of a STABLE axis, now he's stuck

[uttexas]

One of the issues here is that I've read that Foley deviates the most from a centered pivot (s&t;) when it comes to the driver. Foley talks about a 60/40 backfoot/front foot with the driver and loading into the rear side with the driver. This is part of the reason Tiger is now thrusting his head back a lot going into impact with the driver. Foley's got it backwards, the driver is the most important club to get the front hip forward in the backswing and more forward in the downswing. Detrimental to Tiger's progress, yes.

[Deryck Griffith]

Originally Posted by jamo

Given that big in-to-out path, I'd guess a lot of hooks.

Absolutely.  Perfect example, the 180 yard duck hook he hit with the driver this past Friday...

That doesn't happen if you aren't coming way in to out with the face slamming shut at the same time.

[bunkerputt]

Originally Posted by Deryck Griffith

Absolutely.  Perfect example, the 180 yard duck hook he hit with the driver this past Friday...

That doesn't happen if you aren't coming way in to out with the face slamming shut at the same time.

Don't be so generous.  Shotlink had it at 160.  That's an improvement over the 85 yarder he hit earlier in the year, so I have to say his misses are improving