Etiquette: Having lunch after 9

[whatwoodtigerdo]

Wow. You certainly know how to give a good impression of yourself. The real question here seems to be, does paying your fees entitle you to behave like an ill-mannered buffoon? My answer would be no.

Well people get what they give. And I don't considered grabbing a hot dog and a drink and expecting to go back on the course to finish the round I paid for acting like a buffoon. If you do that appears to be your problem. [quote name="Spyder" url="/t/68533/etiquette-having-lunch-after-9/54#post_1004585"]Nobody is acting like an internet tough guy, I can promise you what. Your immaturity is preventing you from utilizing the space between your ears to properly sense that my tone was one of logic and reason. If you took offense to that, which you clearly did as you're on the defensive, you are again acting childish. If you can't see the common sense in this scenario, I don't know what to tell you. If you are ahead of my group and you go into the club house, your "entitled position" is behind the group in front of you. If I come up to the turn several groups later and you try to get out, you do not belong in front of me and yes - any respectable course would make you wait. If you don't like that rule or logic, don't disappear into the clubhouse forever. Hell, you may never have that happen to you. But, I'm trying to educate you in the event that it does happen to you so that you are prepared. The only person acting like a "tough guy" is the one claiming they'd laugh and ignore people and tee off anyway. I'd expect that from somebody between 15-18. Again, everything I highlighted in bold clearly depicts how you are. [/quote] How is laughing at your asinine opinion and going ahead and teeing off acting like a tough guy? Again I am finishing the round I pay for. Y'all can all hold hands and think about the way things should be while I smile, eat my hot dog and tee off 10 in front of you.

[jetsknicks1]

Not true at all. Maybe in your guys' heads that's how it should be but in real world application it's not the case unless fourputt is the marshall apparently.

I'm willing to bet that if you made the turn without stopping and a group from somewhere ahead of you came racing from the clubhouse to cut in front of you, your attitude would not be the one you profess everybody else should have.

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

Sorry to disappoint you, but all I would do is what I've been instructed to do.  No power trip, just my job.  Players have 5 minutes to make the turn.  If they take longer than that and the flow goes past them, then they are out of luck.  All of those other players also paid their fees and they sticking to the course policy.  If you ignore that then you are the one in the wrong and I don't care if you paid double, you aren't getting back out until there is a break in the flow.  There is nothing special about you that means you get to do what others don't just because you have an attitude.

By the way it's the pro who would call the law if it was indicated.  I doubt we'd need it for you... you aren't that scary.

So my question is what if it was the service staff at the turn that was taking too long to get a simple hot dog and drink. What if they can't do it within 5 minutes.

Who fault is that?????

Would the course management and therefore you as the starter work to ensure that the players get to continue on.

After all how is it their fault if the course staff cannot tend to the players in a timely manner.

I don't think it is unreasonable for one to expect to be able to purchase some food and drinks at the 9 and not expect to be able to continue onto the back nine.

If it is the inability of the course staff to turn the food and drinks out in a timely manner should the course management take ownership of the problem at some point?

It's the player's responsibility to keep up the pace.  I've had a good many times when I wanted to grab a snack but the situation didn't allow for it.  I sucked it up and kept playing.

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Originally Posted by jetsknicks1

The people playing behind you are paying customers as well. One day, my group came off 9 with the group ahead of us still in the clubhouse. We went to 10 and teed off, as we're getting back ino the carts the group that was ahead came hauling ass to the tee box with hit dogs, snacks and drinks, demanding their spot back, they didn't get it. You sound like those guys.

Except if you read my post I said if someone plays through then they play through. But it doesn't mean I have to wait for every group to play through.

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Originally Posted by Spyder

Not if you take too long, because if you were to try and cut my group off after sitting on a stool eating your little hot dog and pickle and cookie, you're going to be waiting for at least another foursome.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but that sounds kind of idiotic. If you're insinuating that you have gobs of cash and you throw money around and let that do the talking for you, I would gladly do without your business. Your money doesn't entitle you to act however you feel appropriate. Your $100 is not detrimental to a course's success either.

You do have every right to stop at the turn, but you also have to use common sense and realize that you are potentially giving up your place on the course even if the service is slow. If my group is trying to make the turn and you come out of no where trying to get back out, you would be waiting on us and I can guarantee that. It's not our problem that you needed a hot dog for your tummy. I don't care if there was 1 server and it took her 20 minutes. You were hungry, you went into the clubhouse and you proceeded to wait that long. You should use your own discretion at that point and determine whether a 20 minute wait for a $0.20 Sugardale is actually worth it or not.

I believe everything that I highlighted in bold clearly describes your character and you do, in fact, come off as a child - perhaps not in school, but a child nonetheless. Again, I don't care if you're at a resort paying $200 for your round of 18 and $5 for your weiner at the turn. You have every right to stop at the turn, but you do not have any right whatsoever to inconvenience those behind you - regardless of the level of service you receive inside. Think of this rationally for a moment. You go into the clubhouse and wait 20 minutes for a beer and dog. 2 groups behind you play through 10 and you come out and try to move in front of my group making the turn. You try to explain that the service was slow inside and you are continuing your round now. My group's logical and right reaction is going to be "That's not our damn problem". You made a choice, there's a potential consequence of waiting until it's clear before you get back out, so sit outside and eat and wait for that opening.

Lose the sense of entitlement. The only thing you're entitled to after paying for your round is having the privilege of playing a round of golf. You don't get to do that however the hell you want though.

Talking with your money means taking your business elsewhere. Can't believe you've never heard that expression. And sure courses can take the hit, they are all thriving so much.

And everybody is superman tough guys on the internet. I was in front of you to start and my entitled spot is still in front of you. Now if you were the group directly behind me I wouldn't expect you to wait on me if you got to the next box but again I am sure as he'll not waiting for 20 groups to get back out. Lastly seeing how you want to act like an internet tough guy I can guarantee if this situation ever happened you and your group would sit there, whining and not saying a damn thing to my group. And you can say whatever you want here but in real life you wouldn't do anything. But if it makes you fell better if you did I would probably pee my pants, cry and run away cause I would be so scared of you.

Check the mirror if you want to see who is acting tough.  You are the one who has decided that you are more entitled that anyone else who paid the same fees, and who don't deserve to be held up at the turn while you take 10 or 15 minutes to grab a bite.  That 10 or 15 minutes is a group or group and a half, and where I worked, you would not be allowed to hold up the rest of the course just because you have an attitude.  Groups typically turn there on a 9 minute pace, sometimes faster, and that means that you have to be out of the driver landing area on 10 or they have to wait.  If you take 15 minutes, the next group will already be heading up the 10th fairway, and the group after them will be approaching the 10th tee, and the third group following you is getting close to the 9th green.  Where in that scenario do you see a gap for you to fit back into?

[Spyder]

How is laughing at your asinine opinion and going ahead and teeing off acting like a tough guy? Again I am finishing the round I pay for. Y'all can all hold hands and think about the way things should be while I smile, eat my hot dog and tee off 10 in front of you.

So everyone who has quoted you in disagreement has an asinine opinion, right? You're honestly one of those people who could be called out by 10 other people and you would sit there and think "It's gotta be them, they're the ones being dumb. It's definitely not me.", right?

One day, you will grow up and realize that it is okay to be wrong from time to time, admit you are wrong and even learn from it. At this time though, I would have to consider this a lost cause. You're just not getting it and you probably won't until you're in an embarrassing situation like this at some point in time.

I would love to be in front of you in line at an amusement park though. I mean, hell, I could wait in line for a few minutes and then leave to grab a hot dog and a beer and come back to take my rightful place in front of you again when it's time to hop on the ride. If anyone behind you complained, you could tell those idiots that I paid my $50 to get in and it's all good. You know, teach them "real world application" and what not.

I'll say it one last time for you. You gave up your "rightful place" the moment you went into the clubhouse for an unreasonable amount of time. Hell, I'll even give the group in front of me a few extra minutes. But, if I'm waiting 10-15 minutes on you I'm playing through you. Once that happens, the course's staff has every right to tell you to wait until they can fit you back in without interrupting the flow (i.e.: You're no longer a "playing 18" priority group. You're now playing 9 and they'll get you back out as soon as possible). I've seen courses force groups who sat around at he turn too long to play the same Front 9 again because they couldn't get off the back.

[Slice of Life]

Except if you read my post I said if someone plays through then they play through. But it doesn't mean I have to wait for every group to play through.

Talking with your money means taking your business elsewhere. Can't believe you've never heard that expression. And sure courses can take the hit, they are all thriving so much.

And everybody is superman tough guys on the internet. I was in front of you to start and my entitled spot is still in front of you. Now if you were the group directly behind me I wouldn't expect you to wait on me if you got to the next box but again I am sure as he'll not waiting for 20 groups to get back out. Lastly seeing how you want to act like an internet tough guy I can guarantee if this situation ever happened you and your group would sit there, whining and not saying a damn thing to my group. And you can say whatever you want here but in real life you wouldn't do anything. But if it makes you fell better if you did I would probably pee my pants, cry and run away cause I would be so scared of you.

lol, you're delusional. You and your friends might cry and complain in the corner, but there are plenty of people who'd have no issues putting you in your place. Myself included, and there's no "internet tough guy" act needed...you act like an inconsiderate child, and you'll be put in your place. Period. Wouldn't be the first altercation at a golf course...

[Jeremie Boop]

I think there is some exaggerating going on here anyway. A lot of people stop at the turn to grab a drink and a bite to eat. Typically it doesn't take long, but if the group behind you doesn't stop they probably could/should tee off while you are in there. It could be just because I don't typically play courses that are packed, or that the courses I play people almost all stop at the turn so there isn't much fuss over this. I've never seen a course where the 10th tee is backed up or has someone checking to see that you are on pace either. I clearly don't play as upscale of courses as most of you guys haha. It would be pretty awesome to be able to call ahead or push a button to order what I wanted at the turn.

[saevel25]

I think there is some exaggerating going on here anyway. A lot of people stop at the turn to grab a drink and a bite to eat. Typically it doesn't take long, but if the group behind you doesn't stop they probably could/should tee off while you are in there. It could be just because I don't typically play courses that are packed, or that the courses I play people almost all stop at the turn so there isn't much fuss over this. I've never seen a course where the 10th tee is backed up or has someone checking to see that you are on pace either. I clearly don't play as upscale of courses as most of you guys haha. It would be pretty awesome to be able to call ahead or push a button to order what I wanted at the turn.

Doesn't matter about exaggeration or not. If you go into lunch, and the group behind you doesn't, don't expect to maintain your spot on the course. If it happens or not is not the issue, the issue is the philosophical difference between @whatwoodtigerdo and the rest of the posters on this thread. Just because something doesn't happen all the time doesn't make you correct. It just means you got lucky enough not to fall into that problem.

[Jeremie Boop]

Doesn't matter about exaggeration or not. If you go into lunch, and the group behind you doesn't, don't expect to maintain your spot on the course. If it happens or not is not the issue, the issue is the philosophical difference between @whatwoodtigerdo and the rest of the posters on this thread. Just because something doesn't happen all the time doesn't make you correct. It just means you got lucky enough not to fall into that problem.

I suppose you skipped over the part where I specifically stated if the group behind you doesn't stop they should/could tee off while you are gone? Obviously you are going to have to get back in line, no doubt about that. I'm just saying in a normal scenerio there will be another group hitting the concessions that you could slip into their spot while they do. I don't think the attitude that "I'm going to tee off if I feel like it because I paid" is correct by anymeans, just trying to inject some realism into the conversation.

[saevel25]

I suppose you skipped over the part where I specifically stated if the group behind you doesn't stop they should/could tee off while you are gone? Obviously you are going to have to get back in line, no doubt about that. I'm just saying in a normal scenerio there will be another group hitting the concessions that you could slip into their spot while they do. I don't think the attitude that "I'm going to tee off if I feel like it because I paid" is correct by anymeans, just trying to inject some realism into the conversation.

I might have glanced over it.

Yep I agree on that. Another rule of golf, No bitching about lost spot on the tee box if you grab lunch!!

[ay33660]

It's the player's responsibility to keep up the pace.  I've had a good many times when I wanted to grab a snack but the situation didn't allow for it.  I sucked it up and kept playing.

Fourputt it is evident from your post that you work as a starter or in some other capacity on a golf course.

I would be curious if the management at your golf course is of the same opinion.

It has been my experience that most golf courses encourage players to spend money on the course either in the club house or pro shop.

An attitude that the course itself is not to take any responsibility to ensure that players can purchase food at the turn and to keep up the pace seems contradictory.

So in general, the posts in this thread have gone from most agreeing that if you sit down lunch at the turn you will lose your place on the back 9 but grabbing food and drink and continuing on is appropriate. To now, for some, the approach is that it is solely the player's responsibility to maintain pace even if to just grab some food and drinks.

[Dave2512]

Wow this thread blew up. There isn't any reason for this imaginary scenario where it's okay to take a lunch break at the turn. Any course worth playing knows how to efficiently get golfers through the turn without long delays. There will be prepared food and they encourage call ahead service. I've even seen courses with tents, coolers and grills set up on the 10th tee. I've never played with anyone that wanted to dawdle excessively at the turn. For a time a local course had touch screen menus on the GPS carts with on course service. That was cool.

[whatwoodtigerdo]

lol, you're delusional. You and your friends might cry and complain in the corner, but there are plenty of people who'd have no issues putting you in your place. Myself included, and there's no "internet tough guy" act needed...you act like an inconsiderate child, and you'll be put in your place. Period. Wouldn't be the first altercation at a golf course...

Now I am really scared. I will let my group know no more lunches in case you are in the group behind us. Hard to take someone serious who thinks they can beat everybody up as not being an internet tough guy. [quote name="ay33660" url="/t/68533/etiquette-having-lunch-after-9/72#post_1004640"] Fourputt it is evident from your post that you work as a starter or in some other capacity on a golf course. I would be curious if the management at your golf course is of the same opinion. It has been my experience that most golf courses encourage players to spend money on the course either in the club house or pro shop. An attitude that the course itself is not to take any responsibility to ensure that players can purchase food at the turn and to keep up the pace seems contradictory. So in general, the posts in this thread have gone from most agreeing that if you sit down lunch at the turn you will lose your place on the back 9 but grabbing food and drink and continuing on is appropriate. To now, for some, the approach is that it is solely the player's responsibility to maintain pace even if to just grab some food and drinks. [/quote] You want lunch? Seriously? A hot dog, chips and a drink? I don't think so. Courses are self sustaining and don't need revenue. Just make the turn, be quiet, get off the course as fast as possible and hope they don't revoke your privilege to pay to play their course. Fun day of golf, eh?

[newtogolf]

Now I am really scared. I will let my group know no more lunches in case you are in the group behind us. Hard to take someone serious who thinks they can beat everybody up as not being an internet tough guy.

You want lunch? Seriously? A hot dog, chips and a drink? I don't think so. Courses are self sustaining and don't need revenue. Just make the turn, be quiet, get off the course as fast as possible and hope they don't revoke your privilege to pay to play their course. Fun day of golf, eh?

You can get a hot dog and drink, walk back to your carts and tee off on 10 and eat your hot dog while you ride or wait for your buddies to hit.  You can't sit at a table and have a leisurely lunch and expect the course to fit you in at the expense of others.

It really just comes down to common courtesy for your fellow golfers.  To maintain proper flow on the course everyone has to do their part.  When you take a 15 minute to 1/2 lunch it creates a 1 - 3 hole gap (depending on the course), when you jump back in it creates a bottleneck.  Imagine if everyone did what you did, the back 9 would take 4 hours alone to get though because of the backup.

[saevel25]

Now I am really scared. I will let my group know no more lunches in case you are in the group behind us. Hard to take someone serious who thinks they can beat everybody up as not being an internet tough guy.

You want lunch? Seriously? A hot dog, chips and a drink? I don't think so. Courses are self sustaining and don't need revenue. Just make the turn, be quiet, get off the course as fast as possible and hope they don't revoke your privilege to pay to play their course. Fun day of golf, eh?

Maybe you should actually be considerate of the other golfers on the course. Why must they bend to your convenience and hold your spot on the course? They are the ones playing golf, you are the ones who wanted to grab lunch. I mean come on man, a bit self centered maybe?

[whatwoodtigerdo]

You can get a hot dog and drink, walk back to your carts and tee off on 10 and eat your hot dog while you ride or wait for your buddies to hit.  You can't sit at a table and have a leisurely lunch and expect the course to fit you in at the expense of others. It really just comes down to common courtesy for your fellow golfers.  To maintain proper flow on the course everyone has to do their part.  When you take a 15 minute to 1/2 lunch it creates a 1 - 3 hole gap (depending on the course), when you jump back in it creates a bottleneck.  Imagine if everyone did what you did, the back 9 would take 4 hours alone to get though because of the backup.

I am not talking about sitting down and eating. I've never done that. I do exactly what you said here. But it can take 15 minutes to just get food at some courses especially if someone just teeing off is getting stuff in front of you.

[Dave2512]

He is making it up .Seriously this isn't even an issue. You pull out your phone place an order and pick it up.

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

It's the player's responsibility to keep up the pace.  I've had a good many times when I wanted to grab a snack but the situation didn't allow for it.  I sucked it up and kept playing.

Fourputt it is evident from your post that you work as a starter or in some other capacity on a golf course.

I would be curious if the management at your golf course is of the same opinion.

It has been my experience that most golf courses encourage players to spend money on the course either in the club house or pro shop.

An attitude that the course itself is not to take any responsibility to ensure that players can purchase food at the turn and to keep up the pace seems contradictory.

So in general, the posts in this thread have gone from most agreeing that if you sit down lunch at the turn you will lose your place on the back 9 but grabbing food and drink and continuing on is appropriate. To now, for some, the approach is that it is solely the player's responsibility to maintain pace even if to just grab some food and drinks.

As I said, I simply did my job as I was trained and instructed to do.  Players were allowed 5 minutes at the turn to hit the rest room, grab a dog and be on the 10th tee.  That was over and above the time between the groups on the course, which was typically 9 minutes.  The 8th and 9th holes usually played fairly fast, so groups would usually be well spaced at the turn.  A group which took no more than 5 minutes would at least be on the 10th tee before the next group got there.  A group that took 10 minutes or more would find the next group already hitting on 10, and they would find very few gaps on a typical day from 8 AM until well after noon, even on a weekday.

It was part of my job as starter to keep that flow moving.  I recorded the turn times for every group as they came off the 9th green.  If they were behind the pace, I was required to tell them to speed up and get back in position.  If it was their fault that they were already behind pace, they sometimes even lost the opportunity to hit the snack bar.

The course makes it's money on golf, not on food.  They are not in the restaurant business, and they don't try to be.  The food service is contracted out and the course only makes whatever the contract is for, not a per hot dog profit.  It's to the benefit of the food service provider to make sure that their service meets the needs of the course, or they won't get renewed when their contract comes up.

[newtogolf]

I am not talking about sitting down and eating. I've never done that. I do exactly what you said here. But it can take 15 minutes to just get food at some courses especially if someone just teeing off is getting stuff in front of you.

He is making it up .Seriously this isn't even an issue. You pull out your phone place an order and pick it up.

Exactly, five minutes is max time we spend and that includes a bathroom break for some of us.  I'm guessing @whatwoodtigerdo doesn't call in his order, so depending on the course they may cook to order.