Cary Schoen and The Lower Body Lie That Is Devastating Golf (Troll Thread)

[14ledo81]

Yeah, we could only afford to ship them to Canada and the U.S.

I'm considering an experiment. Please let me know what you think.

I'll let Cary out of the Penalty Box. Right now.

If he manages to post some detailed information (with pictures acting only as supporting evidence, not as the content itself) that can be discussed and which answers the questions posed to him about his "method" and/or which discusses his "method," I'll move the "Googlebombing" posts (starting with #162 through one a few posts prior to this post) to a private forum (where search engines can't find them) and the thread can remain unlocked and open for discussion.

If he fails to do that, within his first two posts again in this thread, this thread will remain open until such time as I lock it permanently.

Do you think that's fair @MiniBlueDragon? Others?

Maybe a bit too fair, but it is worth a shot.  If even only to prove a point to @MiniBlueDragon , a respected member.

Like newtoglolf, I dont expect his (Cary's) attitude to change.

[MiniBlueDragon]

I think his Penalty Box was deserved, that's not in question at all (and I think staying in there is the right course of action); it was the resulting amount of mockery from everybody culminating in a plan to get his named blackened even more I found a bit odd that's all.

@mvmac I agree the site ranks phenomenally already so there was no need for people to come up with ways to rank the thread even higher.

[Ernest Jones]

Sounds good to me, it gives Cary Schoen ( @ZeroComp ) another opportunity to prove that we were right about him from the get go.

[Ernest Jones]

Gauntlet thrown @ZeroComp let's see whatcha got and we'll be happy to discuss.

[bplewis24]

@mvmac I agree the site ranks phenomenally already so there was no need for people to come up with ways to rank the thread even higher.

I think that topic was raised as a "universal benefit to the internet" type thing.  In other words, if/when he goes somewhere else, peddling his goods/services, some skeptical potential customer or patron can search and find an immediate and relevant answer to the query, "does this guy have any credibility?"

[ZeroComp]

The Lower Body Truth: [VIDEO]http://youtu.be/KhhUDG_JOMA[/VIDEO]

[billchao]

The Lower Body Truth:

[iacas]

The Lower Body Truth:

Cary I'll again remind you with the bold text:

I'll let Cary out of the Penalty Box. Right now.

If he manages to post some detailed information (with pictures acting only as supporting evidence, not as the content itself) that can be discussed and which answers the questions posed to him about his "method" and/or which discusses his "method," I'll move the "Googlebombing" posts (starting with #162 through one a few posts prior to this post) to a private forum (where search engines can't find them) and the thread can remain unlocked and open for discussion.

If he fails to do that, within his first two posts again in this thread, this thread will remain open until such time as I lock it permanently and he'll be permanently banned.

You've now wasted one of your first two posts. Here. I'll even help you out:

From what I can gather, Cary Schoen believes that:

• Your trail foot should stay down a long time.
• You don't need to send your hips forward much.
• As such, you don't generate much secondary axis tilt.
• You remain in forward flexion well into the follow-through.
• Your hands and the handle of the club exit low and left.

Please explain each of these things, particularly the hips pieces since your rocks demonstrate a hip girdle that's moving forward quite a bit.

[ZeroComp]

Sirs,

The following is an example of:

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit.

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right

Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

[iacas]

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit.

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right

Those simply say the same things that video shows (or is supposed to show). It does not say anything about WHY you prefer those things, WHAT makes those things better, HOW current pros are telling "lies" about current methods, etc.

Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

No, you've been permanently banned. I was very clear, VERY forgiving, and you've failed to provide actual information that can be discussed.

Goodbye Cary Schoen.

[bplewis24]

I lol'd when I saw this, because it was what I was thinking.

[flopster]

Just my opinion but that swing looks like it can cause a lot of injuries.

[Ernest Jones]

Just my opinion but that swing looks like it can cause a lot of injuries.

No doubt! Look at his right foot here.

[Ernest Jones]

I'll also point out that if he is a 9, then clearly it is NOT the best swing in the world.

[mvmac]

Just my opinion but that swing looks like it can cause a lot of injuries.

Agree, retaining too much forward flexion is a bad thing.

Compared to Hogan, which we assume he's trying to model, you can see how much more "thrust" Hogan puts in.  Note the secondary axis tilt due to the lower center being forward with the head steady on the right and the belt buckle is pointing towards the sky.  Hogan is releasing his forward flexion.

[billchao]

Sirs,

The following is an example of:

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that costs him the ability to maintain his forward tilt until after the ball is hit.

- A Lower body that does not thrust in a manner that forces his swing plane to raise vertically and unintendedly send the baseline out to the right

Iacas, if this is not offering my thoughts in an informational context, I guess I deserve another timeout

Isn't this pretty much a perfect example of what a lot of amateurs get wrong in the swing? Too much upper body, OTT, and path way left? I'm not the best at judging these things, but it doesn't look like a very powerful swing.

Also, if you slice, wouldn't sending the "baseline out to the right" actually help straighten it out?

Not that it matters much now, but I'm probably more confused about Cary Schoen's swing theories now, more than ever. He started by saying the majority of golfers don't utilize the pivot properly, and he finished by showing a model that doesn't do much pivoting?

[nevets88]

I can't speak for others, but if this were my swing, I'd get back problems and seriously limit my playing "career" years. Nuh-uh. No way I want this.

My reaction?

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bplewis24

Somebody mentioned TST was the #2 search result.  I just googled the name "Cary Schoen" and it comes up as the #4 result.  Maybe you guys are sending us in the wrong direction?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

Shows up as 7th on my search.

I googled "Cary Schoen golf instruction" and it came up second

You can just make out the word "Troll" on both searches.

Seriously, though. I hope we didn't ruin his potential career. Seems like when he gets better, he could be a pretty good instructor with all that tournament experience.