Jump to content
Check out the Spin Axis Podcast! ×

Recommended Posts

Posted

I heard about it. They re-run Live From every 2 hours so I'll be tuning in the next broadcast to watch it. From what I'm reading from others, Nobilo over-reacted. Chamblee isn't afraid to be critical of Tiger, and some people can't stand that because they think Tiger is God and shouldn't be criticized.


Posted

I heard about it. They re-run Live From every 2 hours so I'll be tuning in the next broadcast to watch it. From what I'm reading from others, Chamblee was pretty spot on and Nobilo over-reacted. Chamblee isn't afraid to be critical of Tiger, and some people can't stand that because they think Tiger is God and shouldn't be criticized.

If you catch it can you post it here?

Yours in earnest, Jason.
Call me Ernest, or EJ or Ernie.

PSA - "If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

My Whackin' Sticks: :cleveland: 330cc 2003 Launcher 10.5*  :tmade: RBZ HL 3w  :nickent: 3DX DC 3H, 3DX RC 4H  :callaway: X-22 5-AW  :nike:SV tour 56* SW :mizuno: MP-T11 60* LW :bridgestone: customized TD-03 putter :tmade:Penta TP3   :aimpoint:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
I heard about it. They re-run Live From every 2 hours so I'll be tuning in the next broadcast to watch it. From what I'm reading from others, Nobilo over-reacted. Chamblee isn't afraid to be critical of Tiger, and some people can't stand that because they think Tiger is God and shouldn't be criticized.

Yeah, well Chamblee's kind of a snobby dick.

Riley


Posted

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/chamblee-nobilo-argue-over-tigers-swing-back/

I think this is it. I'm about to watch it.

  • Upvote 1

Hunter Bishop

"i was an aspirant once of becoming a flamenco guitarist, but i had an accident with my fingers"

My Bag

Titleist TSI3 | TaylorMade Sim 2 Max 3 Wood | 5 Wood | Edel 3-PW | 52° | 60° | Blade Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourputt

But you might sometime try to believe something.  You have consistently refused to believe anything related to Tiger's health issues.  We get that you don't like him - that's obvious.  But to keep ranting about it ad nauseum is just boring.  You make yourself out as some sort of expert about back problems, and maybe you are more knowledgeable that the average guy, but that's mostly irrelevant.  Even the very best orthopedists can't intelligently diagnose or comment on a condition that they haven't had the opportunity to examine.

I saw a man in extreme pain.  I understand his pain because I live with it too.  I don't even question that he was hurting badly.  I also don't question his desire to try and play in spite of it.  He may not be using good judgement, but I don't doubt the injury.  He is an extremely competitive individual, and he can see his career's primary goal of passing Jack's 18 majors slipping away, and that has to eat at him every waking moment.  I've gone out and played in tournaments without nearly that much incentive when I couldn't bend over to get the ball out of the hole, and I'm not 1/4 as competitive as Tiger is.  I can have a flare up, and one day on muscle relaxers and I'm back to 100% (or as close to that as I ever get).

I don't really care if Tiger ever wins another major, or if he plays in the Ryder Cup, but I can't wish that sort of back pain on anybody.  Tiger is already richer than God, so I can't really feel sorry for him career wise, and he isn't the most personable player on Tour, but all of that is separate from health concerns.

You really need to get off your soapbox and try not to let your negative personal bias flavor your statements when you don't really know any more about it that anyone else does..

You could not be more off based here. I have been a Tiger fan forever however the facts are sketchy. Get over yourself and your pain. Everyone behaves differently and had you read the whole thread you would understand my statements.

How many times have you been in excruciating pain and it cleared up in three days Rick?

Last March.  And it was back pain, just as Tiger is going through.  Back went out a week before my wife and I were traveling back to the states for a visit, and I couldn't even drag a carry on through the airport.  I made an appointment with my US doctor before we left, saw him the morning after we got back, and 48 hours later I was playing golf.  Before I saw him and started on the muscle relaxers he prescribed, I couldn't have picked up a golf club, much less swung it.  You seem to be pretty hasty about diagnosing people you have never met and know nothing about.

Rick

"He who has the fastest cart will never have a bad lie."

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Eh, wasn't as heated as I thought. I've seen much worse, although after you could see the smoke coming out of Nobilo's ears. It was a good debate, though. I thought Chamblee actually did a pretty good job throwing stats and facts out there and he got Nobilo with the Tiger quote saying he was "100%" last week.


Posted

Eh, wasn't as heated as I thought. I've seen much worse, although after you could see the smoke coming out of Nobilo's ears. It was a good debate, though. I thought Chamblee actually did a pretty good job throwing stats and facts out there and he got Nobilo with the Tiger quote saying he was "100%" last week.

Idk if I'd say he "got" Nobilo. Athletes lie about their condition all the time, Tiger especially, who is loathe to give out real updates on his injuries. It was kind of a 'duh' moment: of course Tiger would say that about his back. When it was really bad last fall, he said it was because he slept on a mattress wrong.

Chamblee did a good job arguing, but I disagree with his numbers.

Hunter Bishop

"i was an aspirant once of becoming a flamenco guitarist, but i had an accident with my fingers"

My Bag

Titleist TSI3 | TaylorMade Sim 2 Max 3 Wood | 5 Wood | Edel 3-PW | 52° | 60° | Blade Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Also not sure I want to trust Chamblee's grasp of Trackman numbers ... especially given his joyous disdain for them.

Regardless, for all of their arguing, they really didn't disagree on the important points.  They both said Tiger is obviously not healthy right now, but Chamblee just went further and claimed he knew why.

Who knows, maybe he's right.  Similar to when my baseball team sucks but they fire the manager and the reaction is one of excitement even though I know they stil have the same players ... I think I'd be excited if Tiger decided to go with a new coach.  Especially if he sucked up some pride and decided to go back to Butch Harmon. :)

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
I wonder if Brandel was reading [URL=http://www.golfdigest.com/blogs/the-loop/2014/08/swing-theory-what-would-tiger.html]this article[/URL] before his debate.

Wow that is really close to exactly what he said

Hunter Bishop

"i was an aspirant once of becoming a flamenco guitarist, but i had an accident with my fingers"

My Bag

Titleist TSI3 | TaylorMade Sim 2 Max 3 Wood | 5 Wood | Edel 3-PW | 52° | 60° | Blade Putter

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

I watched it. Chamblee and Nobilo were arguing about what ails Tiger right now. Nobilo's position could be summed up as basically that Tiger is hurt, thus his scoring is poor. Brandle is adding in another element to the equation by saying that Tiger's swing is what is hurting him.


Posted

I wonder if Brandel was reading this article before his debate.

Wow that is really close to exactly what he said

Seriously.  Just read it and came to post the exact same thing.  There is no way he didn't read that before that piece aired!  (Unless the author wrote it after the piece aired and stole it from Chamblee ;))

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
I wonder if Brandel was reading this article before his debate.

That is uncanny because the analysis of those pros is in that article is pretty much exactly what Chamblee said. No idea if Brandle plagerized them or not, but he made the same argument. I have no idea what Tiger's launch angle or club head speed is, but I can see that he is steep and has that forward shaft lean. You don't need trackman to actually see that.

BTW, common sense suggests Tiger didn't hurt himself by doing yard work, or powerlifting. It suggests he hurt himself by hitting a bazillion golf balls. So that lends itself to Chamblee's side of the debate.


  • Administrator
Posted

Neither scored a win there, but I'm giving the victory to Nobilo.

  • Tiger won five times last year with a very similar swing.
  • The camera angle was terrible on that wedge shot.
  • Nobilo is right about the launch angle versus handle forward thing. They're pretty closely linked.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Edit due to incorrect statement.

Kevin

Titleist 910 D3 9.5* with ahina 72 X flex
Titleist 910F 13.5* with ahina 72 X flex
Adams Idea A12 Pro hybrid 18*; 23* with RIP S flex
Titleist 712 AP2 4-9 iron with KBS C-Taper, S+ flex
Titleist Vokey SM wedges 48*, 52*, 58*
Odyssey White Hot 2-ball mallet, center shaft, 34"

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
Posted

Yeah I tend to side more with Nobilo on this one. Even if Tiger is 100% healthy, it's still a mental hurdle to swing "normally" when you've dealt with a serious injury.

Good point as well about Graeme Delaet taking 10 months off.

I do agree with Brandel that the handle gets too deep on the downswing and an earlier point he made that Tiger needs to have a "more free" hip turn on the backswing. But I don't think these issues caused the back trouble.

Also for the guys that say Tiger should go back to Butch, I think they assume he would go back to his 2000 swing, that's not a possibility.

Mike McLoughlin

Check out my friends on Evolvr!
Follow The Sand Trap on Twitter!  and on Facebook
Golf Terminology -  Analyzr  -  My FacebookTwitter and Instagram 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    Carl's Place
    PlayBetter
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • I have been debating getting a launch monitor of some sort, if only so I can re-figure my shot zones (I haven't actually mapped them in years) and also to practice distance wedges at home.  I have to see if this works with either my current setup, or what my setup would be if I move it to the garage.  
    • Day 48, June 23.  After work today, I took 25 minutes in my practice room;  6-iron, same everything as yesterday except the time and count. 
    • Well, this is interesting.  I think we discovered a few months ago that I haven't been following professional golf in a while (my confusion about Scotty's footwork confirmed that), so at least as I aim to follow a bit more I'll get something new to learn with all of you.  My very quick read of Erik's summary makes me think this new Challenger series fits somewhere between Korn Ferry and the Championship (not Champions, but I know I'm going to make that mistake a few times if I'm not careful!).   My recollection is that there were already second-tier events among the PGA Tour;  the Bob Hope didn't have the same quality of field as the event at Riviera (whose current name I forget, although now that I say that, I realize the Palm Springs event hasn't been called the Bob Hope in a few years either).   With the absence of the FedEx (if I'm reading that correctly), does that mean no more FedEx Cup at all? Hopefully I'll have time later in 2026 to sit down and see what we're in for in 2027, where one of my goals already is to follow more professional golf.
    • The highlights as I see them: Championship and Challenger Series The creation of the PGA Tour and the PGB Tour, in the words of Joel Dahmen a few years ago. They're calling them the Championship Series (23-24 events) and the Challenger Series (20+ events). Both run February to August. They feel this will achieve three things: increasing the consistency and quality of fields across the season creating a clear system for players to earn and retain status and delivering a more structured and competitive experience for fans and partners—all in an effort to strengthen meritocracy. Championship Series Structure and Eligibility The 23-24 events includes the Players, majors, season-ending events, and the Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup. These will be 72-hole events with a 36-hole cut to the top 65 and ties and purses of $20M+. 120 players without an alternate list. 90 players (roughly) from the previous year and 20 players promoted from the Challenger Series. Full eligibility will be finalized later this year. Sites (cities) to be finalized soon, but 10 of the 15 courses have already been determined. Postseason: includes retention and relegation and concludes with match play. The Tour Championship will also be played across a rotation of prestigious courses. Challenger Series Structure and Eligibility 20+ events. Running concurrently. Will feature players fighting their way back to the Championship Series or players graduating and on the upswing from the Korn Ferry Tour. Many of these events will be current PGA Tour courses. About 7 of the Challenger Series events will be during off weeks for the Championship Series with elevated purses and visibility. Purses of at least $4M, with cuts similar to the Champ series. 144 player fields. Competitive Fields for Both Series Players will be eligible for only one series at a time: Championship Series Players are not eligible for Challenger Series events. Championship Series members will have a known schedule with all events having the same eligibility. Players and Majors will have their own eligibility criteria. Championship Series players don't have to play all events. This begs the question about, say, the Canadian Open, and other "home-town" events that players might want to play, even if they're Challenger Series events. Will releases be granted? Promotion and Relegation At least 90 players will be retained in the Championship Series, and 20 players will be promoted from the Challenger Series each year. Battlefield promotion for two-time winners from the Challenger Series. Players relegated from the Championship Series will have a "last chance" opportunity to retain status, or will go to the Challenger Series. Criteria will be finalized before the start of the 2027 season. Points System New points system (not FedExCup points). Separate points systems for the Championship and Challenger Series. Elevated points in the Challenger Series for off-weeks on the Championship Series. More details tk. Elevated International Events in the Fall The fall schedule will include a limited series of elevated international events with top players from the Championship Series, with the intent to deliver in partnership with the DP World Tour as part of the Strategic Alliance. Last Chance Series The Tour will develop a “last chance” series of 4-6 events in the fall, with a limited number of spots on the Championship Series available for top finishers. Eligibility will include players relegated from the Championship Series, Challenger Series players, and other categories to be determined. Q-School continues, as do the Korn Ferry Tour and PGA Tour Latinoamerica. Also, Brian Rolapp is the new commissioner as of January 1, 2027.
    • You can download the PDF at this link or see the first page of it above.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.