Donald Trump for president?

[Elmer]

^^^This pretty much.

I don't think GW was a good president, I think he was average.  I don't think BO is a good president either, he may be average.  I completely agree that we tend to make bigger issues out of things that will not destroy our country from within (social issues) as opposed to dealing with the dangers which are fiscal and monetary, the policies that help or hurt us domestically and in a global economy.  To me its like we are sitting in the living room arguing about what vegetables should go in the refrigerator and which should go on the counter while completely disregarding that the house is on fire and the kitchen is filling up with smoke.  Like you, I am a registered republican who can, has and does vote democrat when that is in my opinion the best candidate.  I have also voted for third party candidates based on principle alone.  I wish more people would do that to the point third party candidates win more often or at least garner enough votes to scare the crap out of both parties and get them to act and do right.  I personally think we did the country a huge disservice when we voted for a president based more on social justice than on what the country needed.  Love him or hate him, McCain was respected across the aisle, he was known for upsetting his own party as much as the other, and he understood that in order for the country to move ahead it would mean truly working with the other party to get legislation passed.  Obama came in, sat down and told republicans "we won, you lost, you have to sit in the back of the bus" and then whines when he doesn't get republican support.  Gee, I wonder why.  Republicans are equally to blame for this, Newt Gingrich was probably the worst thing that happened to the republican party, between him and Reid we wound up with hyper polarized political parties who were more interested in shoving a complete agenda down the oppositions throat or doing anything and everything to stop good legislation from becoming laws unless they could as a party take credit for it.

And lastly to stay on topic:  nana nana boo boo, Trumps campaign smells like doo doo.

I liked McCain for going against his party in many cases. I considered voting for him and then 2 things happened (not in order):

1- in Sept 2008 he stated there was " 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong.' as the market was crashing!

2- he picked Palin as a running mate. Just listening to her I could tell she was style with no substance.

As far as Obama complaining that he got no Republican support, wasnt it Mitch McConnel who declared the most important thing the republicans need to work on is making Obama a 1 term president. it does take 2 to tango.

As far as GWB, he was well below average in my opinion. He had lousy reactions to Katrina, the economy, 9/11. He signed a 700B bail out which some would consider a very socialist move.

He eroded civil liberties and gave up homeland security, which increased the size of the govt.

Obama, was not great, but not as bad.

To keep this on topic, I am really interested who Trump would nominate as a VP.

I can not imagine Trump allowing anyone else to speak on his behalf. And a Trump presidency is all about Trump.

Is it possible for Trump to be both POTUS and VP?

I can not see Palin giving speeches and going "rogue" on trump?

[saevel25]

I liked McCain for going against his party in many cases. I considered voting for him and then 2 things happened (not in order):

1- in Sept 2008 he stated there was " 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong.'  as the market was crashing!

2- he picked Palin as a running mate. Just listening to her I could tell she was style with no substance.

What screwed McCain was the hard right vote. The primary forced him to have to appease the hard-right wing republicans. Same thing happened to Romney. The more social liberal republicans don't like the hard line, overly zealot, conservative social issues that the candidates are now forced to carry because they couldn't get past the primary with out taking that hard line stance. The more centrist view is typically conservative with the economy, but tend to be more centrist to liberal on the social issues.

[Gator Hazard]

I think GW did an OK job for the hand he was dealt. No president want's t have to deal with terrorist attacks and such. Clinton had it pretty easy when you look back at how little to nothing really happened in the mid to late 90's. No one could foresee the housing crisis caused by the poor policy by Clinton to actually put into place federal review over the subsidized loans that allowed people to get homes they couldn't afford.

I think BO underachieved greatly. I think he's a horrible leader. I hate how he helped force the health care bill through for the sake of just passing it instead of actually passing meaningful legislation that could actually lower prices. All the health care bill really is is throwing money at the issue and hoping it appeases the public. Oh hey, here's another badly written social program that we can now go out and say republicans want to take away your health care the next time we are getting re-elected.

In the end he cared more about his image than he did about the country. I heard a story once that he actually invited college professors over to talk about where he stands with his legacy compared to other presidents.

Worse than that is if you look at the pieces of ACA where they actually caved to big business.  I may not agree with it, but I would have respected Obama more if he stood up against the big pharma companies who he let have their attorneys write legislation to keep drug prices high.  At least then he would have been a man of conviction and principles (but I digress, I have already gone there with how I felt during the campaign he showed he lacked those already when he had more campaign money to spend than McCain did).  If he truly cared about the people he said he does then he would have held firm against them and made them give some big concessions and come back down to earth instead of getting away with selling the same drug for 50 times more than they sell it outside of the U.S.

Trump is a blathering idiot, but even a blind squirrel gets some things right.  I don't think you should be able to sneak across the border 8 months pregnant, pump out a unit and then do a victory lap high fiving the rest of the illegal immigrants who just did the same thing because you just successfully landed your king moneymaker anchor baby, a US citizen with full rights.  (Had to stay on topic)

[newtogolf]

I liked McCain for going against his party in many cases. I considered voting for him and then 2 things happened (not in order):

1- in Sept 2008 he stated there was " 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong.'  as the market was crashing!

2- he picked Palin as a running mate. Just listening to her I could tell she was style with no substance.

As far as Obama complaining that he got no Republican support, wasnt it Mitch McConnel who declared the most important thing the republicans need to work on is making Obama a 1 term president. it does take 2 to tango.

As far as GWB, he was well below average in my opinion. He had lousy reactions to Katrina, the economy, 9/11. He signed a 700B bail out which some would consider a very socialist move.

He eroded civil liberties and gave up homeland security, which increased the size of the govt.

Obama, was not great, but not as bad.

To keep this on topic, I am really interested who Trump would nominate as a VP.

I can not imagine Trump allowing anyone else to speak on his behalf. And a Trump presidency is all about Trump.

Is it possible for Trump to be both POTUS and VP?

I can not see Palin giving speeches and going "rogue" on trump?

Palin destroyed any chances McCain had to be POTUS.  She wasn't qualified and her inability to handle herself in front of the press turned the whole campaign into a joke.

If by chance Trump did win the nomination, I'd like to see him pick Rubio, Fiorina or Carson as V.P.  He'd be best off with Rubio as he would attract Latino voters and has experience in politics.  Carson is a brilliant mind but his insistence to appeal to the religious right makes him too polarizing.  Carly is a feisty, tough woman who like Trump knows how to run a business but like Trump she lacks in other areas such as foreign policy.

[Gator Hazard]

I liked McCain for going against his party in many cases. I considered voting for him and then 2 things happened (not in order):

1- in Sept 2008 he stated there was " 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong.'  as the market was crashing!

2- he picked Palin as a running mate. Just listening to her I could tell she was style with no substance.

As opposed to Biden?  Neither picked a very good running mate.  The difference being that when Biden says something stupid or completely sexist or whatever the press covers up for him, guffaws and says "awe, hahaha, look at that, that ol Joe, he is such a kidder!!!"  But Palin, oh my god, she was as dumb as he was and a republican woman, so she had to be crucified.  You can't be a woman, and republican and be in that office, no way!!!  She is a horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, candidate though and I agree in general, but I don't put Biden too far ahead of her.  McCain should never have caved, and in all actuality he should have asked Joe Liebermann to be his running mate.  I think that would have been a slam dunk ticket, darned near ironcland and bulletproof as in "you want bipartisan leadership, here it is, vote it, and lets get some good legislation passed".  Obama had many of his own dumb slogans including the tried and true "Immotep" zombie chant about change.  Any time you can't beat your opponent, fall back on the one thing that is old but sounds new "change".

[newtogolf]

As opposed to Biden?  Neither picked a very good running mate.  The difference being that when Biden says something stupid or completely sexist or whatever the press covers up for him, guffaws and says "awe, hahaha, look at that, that ol Joe, he is such a kidder!!!"  But Palin, oh my god, she was as dumb as he was and a republican woman, so she had to be crucified.  She is horrible, horrible horrible horrible, and I agree in general.  He should never have caved, and in all actuality he should have asked Joe Liebermann to be his running mate, I think that would have been a slam dunk ticket, darned near ironcland and bulletproof as in "you want bipartisan leadership, here it is, vote it, and lets get some good legislation passed".  Obama had many of his own dumb slogans including the tried and true "Immotep" zombie chant about change.  Any time you can't beat your opponent, fall back on the one thing that is old but sounds new "change".

I have to disagree, I'd love to see Biden and Palin take an IQ test as I doubt either could score over 100.  Biden for the most part kept a low profile and his mouth shut while Palin was making the all the media rounds and insisting the proximity of Russia to Alaska qualified her as having foreign policy experience.

Palin was a mess, from her horrible media interviews, misuse of her expense accounts, her hard right religious positions and the complete hypocrisy of them within her own family.  I'd almost believe the Republican party hated McCain so much that they sabotaged him by forcing Palin as his running mate.

[Gator Hazard]

Pretty good points from all the commentators on this thread.  :)

That would be awesome, Trump and Fiorina.  Do you think they would have to have a good grudge, uhh, TWISTER match in order to see who is going to really be in charge?  Two type A personalities from the business community, that could be explosive/destructive.  I think Rubio would be a good choice, but I don't know that he would agree.  I can't think of any politician who wants to keep their credibility agreeing to be that circus ring leaders running mate.

[Gator Hazard]

I have to disagree, I'd love to see Biden and Palin take an IQ test as I doubt either could score over 100.  Biden for the most part kept a low profile and his mouth shut while Palin was making the all the media rounds and insisting the proximity of Russia to Alaska qualified her as having foreign policy experience.

Palin was a mess, from her horrible media interviews, misuse of her expense accounts, her hard right religious positions and the complete hypocrisy of them within her own family.  I'd almost believe the Republican party hated McCain so much that they sabotaged him by forcing Palin as his running mate.

Yes, the democrats did better in handling Joe and telling him to STFU.  I agree, he did enough damage already.  But what you explained is exactly the problem, the media had the presidential election be about Obama versus Palin, because Obama versus the real candidate McCain was a much closer race.  What has Biden done as VP?  What would Palin have done as VP?  Nothing!!  But at that point in time the media wanted you to think Palin would be running the country, and it worked!

Would Trump's VP be able to keep his/her mouth shut?  Would a woman agree to be his running mate after his well documented sexist attitude?

[saevel25]

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Originally Posted by Gator Hazard

What has Biden done as VP?  What would Palin have done as VP?  Nothing!!  But at that point in time the media wanted you to think Palin would be running the country, and it worked!

Would Trump's VP be able to keep his/her mouth shut?  Would a woman agree to be his running mate after his well documented sexist attitude?

What does any VP do, NOTHING!

They have two powers + being the next in line for the presidency,

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As President of the Senate, the Vice President has two primary duties: to cast a vote in the event of a Senate deadlock and to preside over and certify the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College.

[Gator Hazard]

What does any VP do, NOTHING!

They have two powers + being the next in line for the presidency,

Precisely, but hey, McCain was as good as a dead man and Palin almost a certainty to end up being the president while Obama would have far less to worry about in office because no one in this country is racist. That's what opposition and media ran with, poor McCain, LMAO, you talk about feeling like an old piece of meat, could you imagine being talked about that way.  "Meyah, McCain, he's old, probably going to croke in a few years anway".

To answer another poster's question I think Trump could be his own running mate.  He could run as Trump you meet at lunch, and Trump the one who tries to send out the most awesome tweet of the day at 3AM.

[rkim291968]

Would Trump's VP be able to keep his/her mouth shut?  Would a woman agree to be his running mate after his well documented sexist attitude?

It will just be a side show.  Any VP candidate would be.  The main show is Trump.

The latest news flash .... Carson and Trump is a dead heat in the latest Ohio poll, with Fiorina coming in at 3rd.   It's not a good poll if you are a career politician.

[newtogolf]

It will just be a side show.  Any VP candidate would be.  The main show is Trump.

The latest news flash .... Carson and Trump is a dead heat in the latest Ohio poll, with Fiorina coming in at 3rd.   It's not a good poll if you are a career politician.

Sure isn't, I think most people are sick of career politicians and the winner of the GOP nomination will be one of those three.

[Golfingdad]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

The latest news flash .... Carson and Trump is a dead heat in the latest Ohio poll, with Fiorina coming in at 3rd.   It's not a good poll if you are a career politician.

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Originally Posted by newtogolf

Sure isn't, I think most people are sick of career politicians and the winner of the GOP nomination will be one of those three.

Or it means jack squat.

Early 2011 polls had Rick Perry leading the GOP, in '07 it was Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani, and in '03 it was Howard Dean dominating the Democrat side.

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But this is important: Pollsters aren't trying to tell you the future.

"The notion that a poll will tell you what's going to happen in 2016 is a ludicrous notion," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "Polls will tell you what Republican opinion is today. That's what they do."

Polls are a snapshot, not a crystal ball. So, for example, if Bobby Jindal (currently polling at around 1 percent) ends up being the GOP nominee in 2016, it won't mean that the current polls got it wrong . It will mean that he wasn't registering with voters early on and then something happened to boost his stock.

[k-troop]

[URL=http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/06/427488198/what-you-need-to-know-about-early-polls-and-how-to-read-them]Or it means jack squat.[/URL] Early 2011 polls had Rick Perry leading the GOP, in '07 it was Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani, and in '03 it was Howard Dean dominating the Democrat side.

Kanye West clasping his hands and thinking, "so you're saying there's a chance..."

[Gator Hazard]

Or it means jack squat.

Early 2011 polls had Rick Perry leading the GOP, in '07 it was Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani, and in '03 it was Howard Dean dominating the Democrat side.

I had a friend who was working for Dean's campaign in Illinois.  He may have got a raw deal with that one video post of him where it looked briefly like his cheese slid off the cracker, but it was funny.  Yeah, it was Hillary's race to lose, I vaguely remember her saying something about the media not being fair to her and also they way they had portrayed her and Slick Willy so they went out of their way to not do her any favors.  Instead I remember Barrack Obama was like the 8th person in a 5 person campaign, but they really got behind him.  Rudy's method was more the "meh, ya know, I wanna be president but I don't wanna be president.  I'll run, so long as it doesn't mean I have to put in too much work".  Then the second time he bowed out with I think prostate cancer  or something like that.  Rick Perry was just goofy, dolphin teeth Rick Perry.  It's so funny, sometimes I am astounded by the best candidates the parties have to offer, especially the republican party.

[newtogolf]

Or it means jack squat.

Early 2011 polls had Rick Perry leading the GOP, in '07 it was Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani, and in '03 it was Howard Dean dominating the Democrat side.

That's very possible but it seems like the public sentiment, combined with social media is putting more pressure on career politicians than there was in the past.  I know our political views differ but I'd hope you're also tired of the corruption associated with career politicians.

[RFKFREAK]

^^^This pretty much.

I don't think GW was a good president, I think he was average.  I don't think BO is a good president either, he may be average.  I completely agree that we tend to make bigger issues out of things that will not destroy our country from within (social issues) as opposed to dealing with the dangers which are fiscal and monetary, the policies that help or hurt us domestically and in a global economy.  To me its like we are sitting in the living room arguing about what vegetables should go in the refrigerator and which should go on the counter while completely disregarding that the house is on fire and the kitchen is filling up with smoke.  Like you, I am a registered republican who can, has and does vote democrat when that is in my opinion the best candidate.  I have also voted for third party candidates based on principle alone.  I wish more people would do that to the point third party candidates win more often or at least garner enough votes to scare the crap out of both parties and get them to act and do right.  I personally think we did the country a huge disservice when we voted for a president based more on social justice than on what the country needed.  Love him or hate him, McCain was respected across the aisle, he was known for upsetting his own party as much as the other, and he understood that in order for the country to move ahead it would mean truly working with the other party to get legislation passed.  Obama came in, sat down and told republicans "we won, you lost, you have to sit in the back of the bus" and then whines when he doesn't get republican support.  Gee, I wonder why.  Republicans are equally to blame for this, Newt Gingrich was probably the worst thing that happened to the republican party, between him and Reid we wound up with hyper polarized political parties who were more interested in shoving a complete agenda down the oppositions throat or doing anything and everything to stop good legislation from becoming laws unless they could as a party take credit for it.

And lastly to stay on topic:  nana nana boo boo, Trumps campaign smells like doo doo.

I completely disagree with this.

Social issues might not be big issues to you or as important as fiscal and monetary ones but their importance is somewhat dependent on what point of view you're looking at them from.  To some, they're equally as important and to minimize one over the other could speak more as to which rung you might be on a hypothetical ladder for each issue.

[Gator Hazard]

I completely disagree with this.

Social issues might not be big issues to you or as important as fiscal and monetary ones but their importance is somewhat dependent on what point of view you're looking at them from.  To some, they're equally as important and to minimize one over the other could speak more as to which rung you might be on a hypothetical ladder for each issue.

The point being that social issues are not going to be the faster too ruin the country.  The country is in far more jeopardy even as an independent entity because of economics.  People not using words or flying certain flags is not going to impact this nation as much as not being able to repay China and Saudia Arabia who own a ton of our foreign debt and are taking our manufacturing jobs too boot.