Jump to content
IGNORED

Tiger's Slam - A Grand Achievement?


iacas
Note: This thread is 3048 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

0  

13 members have voted

  1. 1. Was Tiger's Slam (winning all four major championships in a row) a "grand slam"?

    • Yes
      60
    • No
      50


Recommended Posts

And how could 4 different winners be up for the slam? Only 1 can be up for winning consecutive majors at a time...confused here...

Ryan M
 
The Internet Adjustment Formula:
IAD = ( [ADD] * .96 + [EPS] * [1/.12] ) / (1.15)
 
IAD = Internet Adjusted Distance (in yards)
ADD = Actual Driver Distance (in yards)
EPS = E-Penis Size (in inches)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

It has to be based on a calendar year. To win the slam your need to win the first major of the year. Otherwise four different major winners could be in contention for the slam. If a football team went 0-8 win the first half of a season 8-0 the second half and then went 8-0 the first half of the next year they wouldn't be considered to have gone unbeaten. Calendar year only.

If a ball player ends the season with 55 game hitting streak.

Starts the next season with a 10 game hitting streak.

Does that ball player Break Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak?

I dont think so!

Doing something during the season, during the grind of playing day in and day out is difficult. Taking a month or 2 off in between kind of dampens that a chievement.

Not to mention a football season doesn't take place in a calendar year either.

But Football has a season and a post season which has a specific start and end date.

We are debating a slam which is 4 majors either during a season, during a calendar year or during the course of 365 span.

Golf is tough because they dont have the same guys competing every time. The season is different.

I think  winning 4 majors in a row is impressive and a heck of an a chievement.

However winning them in the same season is more impressive.

It should be noted that Tennis has a grand slam which takes place during the season from January austrilian open  through Septempber US Open.
However in 1982 Tennis instituted a non-calendar year grand slam to include slams won over consecutive years.

How often does tennis rave about their non-calendar year grand slam winners??????

In my Grom:

Driver-Taylormade 10.5 Woods- Taylomade 3 wood, taylormade 4 Hybrid
Irons- Callaway Big Berthas 5i - GW Wedges- Titles Volkey  Putter- Odyssey protype #9
Ball- Bridgestone E6
All grips Golf Pride

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

However winning them in the same season is more impressive.

I am good with what ever you feel is correct, but can you define the dates of "a season" and which governing agency determines that season?

Ken Proud member of the iSuk Golf Association ... Sponsored by roofing companies across the US, Canada, and the UK

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

And how could 4 different winners be up for the slam? Only 1 can be up for winning consecutive majors at a time...confused here...

Take this year for example. At the start Speith was capable of winning the slam (if he wins the next two). Forward to the British. Now Johnson is available to win the slam (if he wins the next three). Forward to the PGA. Now Day is available to win the slam (if he wins the next three). So this year three players were capable of winning the "4 in a row" slam. Most years four players are in the running. I still contend it needs to be in a calendar year.

The posted baseball analogy is a bit more clear than my football analogy, but you get the idea.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


If a ball player ends the season with 55 game hitting streak.  Starts the next season with a 10 game hitting streak. Does that ball player Break Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak? I dont think so! Doing something during the season, during the grind of playing day in and day out is difficult. Taking a month or 2 off in between kind of dampens that achievement. But Football has a season and a post season which has a specific start and end date. We are debating a slam which is 4 majors either during a season, during a calendar year or during the course of 365 span. Golf is tough because they dont have the same guys competing every time. The season is different. I think  winning 4 majors in a row is impressive and a heck of an achievement. However winning them in the same season is more impressive. It should be noted that Tennis has a grand slam which takes place during the season from January austrilian open  through Septempber US Open. However in 1982 Tennis instituted a non-calendar year grand slam to include slams won over consecutive years. How often does tennis rave about their non-calendar year grand slam winners??????

Hate to break it to you but you're dead wrong about the DiMaggio analogy. Hitting streaks absolutely carry over across seasons. I would also disagree in regards to the difficulty. Streaks occur because players are in a zone or on a hot .. Wait for it ... Streak ;). Months off is not going to cheapen the validity of a streak because if anything that would make it harder.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

While the concept of the "Grand Slam of Golf" is an artificial, media manufactured concept, it is what it is. It is meant to take place in a calendar year. What Tiger did is most impressive and he deserves massive accolades for it, but they call it the "Tiger Slam" for a reason. If it was a "Grand Slam" they would call it that.

Bill M

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Hate to break it to you but you're dead wrong about the DiMaggio analogy. Hitting streaks absolutely carry over across seasons.

This is partly correct. According to Wiki, baseball recognizes both, but differentiates between, single season and multiple season hitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career

Although (IMO), like other sports record analogies either way, irrelevant to the question at hand, which is how one defines a particular golf term.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


This is partly correct. According to Wiki, baseball recognizes both, but differentiates between, single season and multiple season hitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career

Although (IMO), like other sports record analogies either way, irrelevant to the question at hand, which is how one defines a particular golf term.

Here's another citation I meant to include above:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2178924

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Hate to break it to you but you're dead wrong about the DiMaggio analogy. Hitting streaks absolutely carry over across seasons.

This is partly correct. According to Wiki, baseball recognizes both, but differentiates between, single season and multiple season hitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career

Although (IMO), like other sports record analogies either way, irrelevant to the question at hand, which is how one defines a particular golf term.


nah...   the "record" isn't "tied" to a single season...  willie keeler is recognized as the second longest streak, and it was accomplished over 2 seasons...

there are "single season" records, just like there are "single game" records...

Link to comment
Share on other sites


This is partly correct. According to Wiki, baseball recognizes both, but differentiates between, single season and multiple season hitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career

Although (IMO), like other sports record analogies either way, irrelevant to the question at hand, which is how one defines a particular golf term.

nah...   the "record" isn't "tied" to a single season...  willie keeler is recognized as the second longest streak, and it was accomplished over 2 seasons...

there are "single season" records, just like there are "single game" records...

There are single season records and "consecutive" records.

But As previously stated, Tennis Differentiates between the non-calendar year grand and a Grand Slam.

so if they are making a distinction and recognizing both differently,

Why dont we?

In my Grom:

Driver-Taylormade 10.5 Woods- Taylomade 3 wood, taylormade 4 Hybrid
Irons- Callaway Big Berthas 5i - GW Wedges- Titles Volkey  Putter- Odyssey protype #9
Ball- Bridgestone E6
All grips Golf Pride

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

There are single season records and "consecutive" records.

But As previously stated, Tennis Differentiates between the non-calendar year grand and a Grand Slam.

so if they are making a distinction and recognizing both differently,

Why dont we?

You can if you want. The problem is that people want to make one seem more important than the other when they are not. You still have to do the same thing, win 4 majors in a row. The action is still the same. People just like to categorize things. Maybe some want to just find that insignificant difference so they can make it seem like they achieved something better.

  • Upvote 1

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Hate to break it to you but you're dead wrong about the DiMaggio analogy. Hitting streaks absolutely carry over across seasons.

This is partly correct. According to Wiki, baseball recognizes both, but differentiates between, single season and multiple season hitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career

Although (IMO), like other sports record analogies either way, irrelevant to the question at hand, which is how one defines a particular golf term.

I generally don't quote Wikipedia as a source since people on the other side of the argument immediately jump to the claim that it can be edited by anybody.  But since Wikipedia was brought up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_%28golf%29

There's also an article about the Grand Slam on Golfsmith's web site, in which they say:

...For a golfer to win the Grand Slam, he must win all four of these tournaments in one golf season. Winning four events in one year is challenging in itself; winning each of the four majors would put the golfer among the game's elite. In golf's modern era, no one has ever won each of these events in one season. Golf legend Bobby Jones is credited as being the only Grand Slam winner. He won the sport's four biggest tournaments played in 1930, before the Masters was founded. Jones won the British Amateur, British Open, U.S. Open and U.S. Amateur for his Grand Slam...

Tiger Slam

The only modern-era golfer to win all four major tournaments in a row, although not in the same season, is Woods. In 2000, he won the U.S. Open, British Open and PGA Championship, and in 2001, he won the Masters. These wins meant that Woods was the defending champion of all four majors at one time. This achievement is often referred to as the Tiger Slam.

And once again, I'd fall back on the PGA's definition of Grand Slam in the glossary on their official website:

http://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-glossary-and-golf-terms#g

The revisionists who want to claim that Woods completed the Grand Slam will never be convinced otherwise, of course - but in my opinion there's ample evidence to show that, at least in the modern era, the Grand Slam is winning all four majors in a calendar year.  Again, I don't feel that it diminishes his accomplishment - call it a "career Grand Slam" or a "Tiger Slam" or whatever else you want to call it, it's an impressive accomplishment.  But it's not a "Grand Slam".

Mac

WITB:
Driver: Ping G30 (12*)
FW:  Ping K15 (3W, 5W)
Hybrids: Ping K15 (3H, 5H)
Irons: Ping K15 (6-UW)

Wedges: Cleveland 588 RTX CB (54*, 58*)

Putter: Ping Scottsdale w/ SS Slim 3.0

Ball: Bridgestone e6

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
It has to be based on a calendar year. To win the slam your need to win the first major of the year. Otherwise four different major winners could be in contention for the slam.

Only one major winner at a time could be in contention for the slam.

If a ball player ends the season with 55 game hitting streak.

Starts the next season with a 10 game hitting streak.

Does that ball player Break Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak?

I dont think so!

Yes.

P.S. I've been tempted to email the guy who does a lot of the web work for the PGA.com site to get him to change that. I probably could. Each time it's cited it's more and more tempting. :)

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

P.S. I've been tempted to email the guy who does a lot of the web work for the PGA.com site to get him to change that. I probably could. Each time it's cited it's more and more tempting. :)

If I see it change then I know who made them do it ;)

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

[QUOTE name="Calvin" url="/t/83344/tigers-slam-a-grand-achievement/432#post_1187189"]   This is partly correct. According to Wiki, baseball recognizes both, but differentiates between, single season and multiple season hitting. [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hit_records#Consecutive_game_hitting_streaks_to_start_a_career[/URL]  Although (IMO), like other sports record analogies either way, irrelevant to the question at hand, which is how one defines a particular golf term. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE name="ccotenj" url="/t/83344/tigers-slam-a-grand-achievement/432#post_1187197"]   nah...   the "record" isn't "tied" to a single season...  willie keeler is recognized as the second longest streak, and it was accomplished over 2 seasons... there are "single season" records, just like there are "single game" records...  [/QUOTE] There are single season records and "consecutive" records. But As previously stated, Tennis Differentiates between the [COLOR=181818]non-calendar year grand and a Grand Slam.[/COLOR] [COLOR=181818]so if they are making a distinction and recognizing both differently,[/COLOR] [COLOR=181818]Why dont we?[/COLOR]

good for tennis...

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • 3 weeks later...

Watching some awesome US Open tennis today and I was intrigued by this graphic: I think it means something that they felt it necessary to qualify the grand slam with the words "calendar year" and to capitalize them. Doesnt this indirectly infer that the "other thing" is a "grand achievement?" ;)

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I'd have to agree...4 in a row, is 4 in a row.

It's not the same.

The Tiger slam or wraparound slam could be 1-2-3-4, or 2-3-4-1, or 3-4-1-2 or 4-1-2-3.  IOW 4 chances to achieve it.

The real slam can only be 1-2-3-4.  One chance.

  • Upvote 1

Occam's razor

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Administrator
It's not the same. The Tiger slam or wraparound slam could be 1-2-3-4, or 2-3-4-1, or 3-4-1-2 or 4-1-2-3.  IOW 4 chances to achieve it. The real slam can only be 1-2-3-4.  One chance.

The issue of "chances" was discussed earlier in some depth. It was seen as pointless among many/most as it has no real bearing on the athletic difficulty. Scroll back through.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 3048 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • I had to think about this topic for a while. I don't tend to remember specific details about my putts, but a few do stand out in my mind so I guess they're worth noting. I don't know that I'd call them my favorite but it's close enough. #18 at Spooky Brook Might be the hardest 4' putt I've ever had. Pin was back right and I hit my third shot just to the right of it. The green slopes fairly severely back to front. I read the green but I knew the putt anyway as I've seen it before. I told the guys I was playing with that the putt was it was going to break almost 3' and if it doesn't go in I'd have a longer coming back up for par than I was looking at. It went in. #12 at Quail Brook I'm not even sure how to describe this green properly. It's not quite a two-tiered green, but the back and front are separated by a ridge that goes across the middle of it, with the green sloping harder off the front than the back. You can generally putt from the front to a back hole location but good luck keeping the ball on the green if you putt from back to front. On this particular day, I was looking at the latter. I had to putt up into the apron due to how the ball was going to break and that helped slow the ball down enough to hit the hole at the perfect speed. One of the rare birdies I've seen on that hole. #2 at Hyatt Hills Short par 5. This makes the list because it's the first eagle putt I've ever made, which funny enough happened the day after the first eagle I've ever made. I've made two eagles in all my life and they came on back to back days. I wasn't even planning on playing golf - it was a Monday - but I was doing some work at the place I used to work at when I was younger and catching up with some of the guys I've known for years. They were going out to play in the afternoon and had a spot available. I used to see these guys every day for years but we've never played together, so I said I'm in. I hit a really good approach shot into slope that separated the two tiers on the green and spun the ball closer to the hole. Had roughly 8' left to the hole, a downhill right to left breaker. One of the guys said, "You've got to make this, I've never seen an eagle before," and I said, "I've never made an eagle putt before." And then I made it. #17 at Stoneleigh @GolfLug's post reminded me of my own heroics on #17 a couple of years ago. The hole was back left, in the bottom tier. I hit my approach short of the green and flubbed my chip so it stayed on the top tier. I read how the putt was going to break after the ramp (is that what you call it?), then read my putt up to that point. It needed to basically die at that point because if it hit the slope with any kind of speed, it would long past the hole and possibly off the green. I hit the putt perfectly and holed the 40-footer center cup. #6 at Meadow at Neshanic Valley, #15 in the Round This was during the stroke play qualifier of my tournament. It might be a little bit of recency bias and I hit some really good long putts in the four rounds I played, but this 7-footer was my favorite putt of the entire tournament. The hole was cut on the top of a ridge. I hit my tee shot short right but hit a pretty good chip just long and below the hole. Play had backed up at this point, with the ladies waiting on the tee while we were finishing up. I hit the putt just a hair on the high side and it curled around the hole, fell back a couple of inches and stopped on lip. We all looked at it incredulously, "How does that not fall in?" Before I took my first step towards the hole, the ball must have thought the same thing and decided to drop.
    • I don't remember a ton of putts, but I've thought about this a bit and came up with 2 good ones. #5 at Mid-South: 2017 Newport Cup I remember the putt pretty well, but the surrounding details are a little hazy. I believe this was in my singles match against @cipher, and it was a hole he was stroking on. I had hit a mediocre approach to the front of the green and had what must have been a 50 foot putt to a back pin. If I remember correctly, @cipher was pretty close for an easy par at worst. I had @mvmac help me out with a read, which ended up being a great read by him. Hit the putt and jarred it for birdie. It was perfect speed, too, would have been an easy 2 putt if it hadn't gone in. I think we ended up tying for the hole. But I rarely make putts that long, and doing it to steal half a hole was really nice. #3 Fox Hollow (Links): 2023 Match Play This was on the third extra hole of a scratch match against a legitimate 0 handicapper. We had tied after 18 holes and traded pars on the first two extra holes. On the third extra hole, he had about 30 feet for birdie; I had about 25. We were on pretty much the exact same line. He missed his putt just on the low side, and I conceded the par. I felt good over this putt - I knew the break well and just needed good speed. I hit a great (not perfect) putt, and BAM, back of the cup for the victory on the 21st hole. I will say that the speed wasn't great, as it would have been a few feet past if it didn't hit the cup. But I wanted to give the ball a chance and take a bit of break out of it. I went on to win the match play tournament, which is my only tournament victory in a scratch event.
    • there will be lots of changes.  i mean, look at newey past, each team fell off a cliff when he moved on i think max is the magic bullet   if red bull loses him then whee are they going for drivers?   lots of young talent but he is a proven winner and i’m sure top engineers love to work with him  
    • I too, like @GolfLug, remember great wedge, iron shots, or my missed putts, more than my made putts. My most memorable recently, would be: #17 Old Course St. Andrews (last year) I had been putting awful all day (I started 3 putt, 4 putt, 3 putt, 3 putt), but found a putting stroke on the back 9 and was 1 under on the back going into 16 and of course I 3-putted it for a bogey. Got to 17 and my playing partner just hit it into the hotel, so I went a little more left and decided to not try and hit it over the hotel.  And as soon as my ball was in the air, I heard one of the other caddies do the chicken noise.  LOL My shot was a little more left than I wanted, about 185 yards, I hit a 6-iron and it was drawing right at the flag.  The pin was just to the right of he bunker and towards the front of the green. My ball hit short (and just missed going into said bunker) and stopped about 15 feet left of the hole. Had a little left to right break and as soon as I hit it, I knew it was in.  Birdie on the road hole, looked at the caddie and said not bad for a Chicken.  Parred 18 (missed 10 foot birdie putt) for a 35 on the back 9 at the Old Course. #18 Springfield G&CC Last year while playing in our season long match play event, my partner and I get the 18th hole needing to win the match to move on into the knockout round.  We are tied going into 18.  A tie and we lose on overall points by .5.  Our teaching pro is on the other team (very good golfer), so we were pretty sure we needed a birdie to have a chance to win the match, I hit on of the best drives I hit all day and had about 135 yards to the pin, but it was in a place where you didn't really want to be long.  So I hit a PW and it landed just short of the flag but released about 12 feet past the hole, so have a devilish putt coming back down the hill.  Our competitors were away and the pro missed his birdie putt by inches, I thought it was in when he hit it.  So after reading the putt, which probably had a 2 cup left to right break, I made the putt to win the match.   #15 Springfield G&CC A few years back, was playing in the first round of the Club Championship (against the previous years runner-up) and my putter was balky all day.  Got to the 15 hole, 2nd Par 5 on back, and was 3-down with 4 to play.  We both hit good drives, both hit good second shots and we both hit decent 3rd shots.  I was about 15 feet and he was just a hair longer.  He missed his putt, I had another slider putt down the hill, with about a foot of right to left break and made the putt.  I birded the next hole, to go 1 down, but not a memorable putt as I only needed a bogey to beat him on that hole, he had all kinds of issues going on.  Lost on 17, as he birdied it, right after I missed mine to lose 2&1.
    • Wordle 1,049 3/6* ⬜⬜⬜🟩🟨 ⬜⬜🟨🟩⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...