Why do most hybrids have a draw bias?

[onthehunt526]

It seems to me, in my travels, most hybrids have a draw bias. I'm not in the market for new ones but it just seems that way. I know most "Pro" or "Tour" models have less of a draw bias, but can anyone tell me why that is? My miss is left with the hybrid(s). Is there anyway to counteract this?

[jamo]

I'm not 100% sure I'm on board with the premise of the question, but accepting it's true, it would be because the vast majority of people slice the ball. 

[chris3putt]

15 minutes ago, jamo said:

it would be because the vast majority of people slice the ball. 

Seconded. In his book "The search for the perfect golf club", Tom Wishon points out that club manufacturers have a good knowledge of the abilities of the average Joe, which is why the vast majority of clubs have a draw biases. Particularly drivers and fairway woods. 

And also why it's next to impossible to buy a 1 or 2 iron anymore.

[Lihu]

45 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

It seems to me, in my travels, most hybrids have a draw bias. I'm not in the market for new ones but it just seems that way. I know most "Pro" or "Tour" models have less of a draw bias, but can anyone tell me why that is? My miss is left with the hybrid(s). Is there anyway to counteract this?

Pull or hook?

I have a "pro" model and it sits with the face out a few degrees, so it's definitely not just "a little less draw bias".

[saevel25]

33 minutes ago, jamo said:

I'm not 100% sure I'm on board with the premise of the question, but accepting it's true, it would be because the vast majority of people slice the ball. 

This^^ 

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Maybe back when they first came out they were hook biased for better players. Back when they first came out you would have utility clubs with a lot of offset. Most hybrids today have little to no offset and produce neutral ball flights. 

[onthehunt526]

7 hours ago, saevel25 said:

This^^ 

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Maybe back when they first came out they were hook biased for better players. Back when they first came out you would have utility clubs with a lot of offset. Most hybrids today have little to no offset and produce neutral ball flights. 

I'm saying that it seems there is some offset in all the hybrids I own... And I own a few different brands, aside from my EX9's, I have a Cleveland, a couple Adams, and a Nickent. I just seem to notice the offset.

I'm not saying the face angle is closed. I just notice the offset in the aforementioned models, maybe there are some with much less. I'm noticing from the hybrids I've seen.

[rickrocks384]

I'm not understanding the underlying question here. 

Draw biases are for typical weekend warriors so they can have less of a slice. 

TP models or pro model's have less but still have it because it's for amateurs who think they can hit tp hybrids better because they have TP or pro in the name so they put a slightly less draw bias with usually a better shaft and then charge a $100 more.

 

If your hitting too much of a draw with a hybrid which I think is the case here. Just pick up a hybrid shaft with less torque and it should allow you to hit it straighter even with a draw bias.

[No Mulligans]

I don't get it either.  My hybrids don't have a draw bias.

[shanksalot]

That is what I have seen on most of the golf forums I look in at for the last 5 years. If you feel that is true of all hybrids just go to a store that can fit you to a hybrid and see if that is true. There are ways to keep a club from drawing that they may be able to help you with. Now if you are hooking it then my guess is it may be more you than the club.

[onthehunt526]

Ok maybe I titled this wrong. A better question would of been, "Why does it look like a lot of hybrids have a lot of offset?".... They may not but it looks that way to me. 

Come to find out the hybrids I play, their face angle is square. I'm trying to find out how much offset they have. It might be that they are a GI club geared at people who slice. Who knows? Sorry for the confusion.

[Lihu]

57 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

Ok maybe I titled this wrong. A better question would of been, "Why does it look like a lot of hybrids have a lot of offset?".... They may not but it looks that way to me. 

Come to find out the hybrids I play, their face angle is square. I'm trying to find out how much offset they have. It might be that they are a GI club geared at people who slice. Who knows? Sorry for the confusion.

The real question should be why does it make a difference? Seems like unless your index is like a +2 or better, it's kind of a moot point?

We're kind of stuck with whatever the manufacturers make for the majority of us golfers. . .

[onthehunt526]

18 minutes ago, Lihu said:

The real question should be why does it make a difference? Seems like unless your index is like a +2 or better, it's kind of a moot point?

We're kind of stuck with whatever the manufacturers make for the majority of us golfers. . .

I agree... It seems that way. It's not like I'm going to go to the Tour Edge van and get a reduced offset hybrid tomorrow. I guess sometimes I ask some questions, that are "why" questions, that have a definitive answer.

Most manufacturers are targeting a lot of their equipment for the average weekend golfer. I can live with that. I have better why questions, based on other topics as well, but that is a different discussion for another time.

[Lihu]

7 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

I agree... It seems that way. It's not like I'm going to go to the Tour Edge van and get a reduced offset hybrid tomorrow. I guess sometimes I ask some questions, that are "why" questions, that have a definitive answer.

Most manufacturers are targeting a lot of their equipment for the average weekend golfer. I can live with that. I have better why questions, based on other topics as well, but that is a different discussion for another time.

True, and they know where they can get their money. Imagine if everyone decided that they have decent enough clubs and they only bought new clubs every 20 years or so? That's not good for business!

They depend upon our egos to feed their marketing. . .

[WUTiger]

18 hours ago, rickrocks384 said:

Just pick up a hybrid shaft with less torque and it should allow you to hit it straighter even with a draw bias.

Less torque will help.

The standard hybrids of circa 2009-2012 tended to have draw bias, and also a fair amount of offfset. The pro or tour models tended to have less offset, and pretty much a square face. I'm a little handsy, so lots of offset was the last thing I needed. The challenge was finding a tour head in an R-flex shaft that wasn't a special order.

One hybrid I struggled with was the standard Adams V4, the 3H and the 4H models. I liked the 4H especially, but I often had days of left misses. I eventually discovered that the speed slot in the crown which was about two degrees more open than the face. If I squared up the slot at address, the face ended up slightly closed and helped the miss left.

My FlyZ hybrid has a square face and a lower torque, slightly heavier senior flex shaft - it just works out better.

Remember, hybrids came on strong as a replacement for hard-to-hit long irons. Many everyday golfers benefit from the draw bias, the extra offset, and higher torque shafts. But for others it was too much of a good thing.

@onthehunt526, you would be a good candidate for the E9 Tour hybrids. See if the clubface is squarer at address, which would keep the ball a bit straighter for you. (I doubt that too much torque is a problem for X-flex shaft).

[arturo28mx]

A draw bias can come not only from offset but also from the position of the center of gravity of the club.

I too have the perception that most hybrids are draw biased to some degree, but it's based just on anecdotal evidence.

[Sixshooter]

i have tried many hybrids and Have never been able to hit one with out hooking it, maybe its in my head. just ordered a 2 iron. we will see if that works for me

[rehmwa]

2 hours ago, Sixshooter said:

i have tried many hybrids and Have never been able to hit one with out hooking it, maybe its in my head. just ordered a 2 iron. we will see if that works for me

I have to purposely focus on face control with longer clubs (maybe since they are more forward in my stance?)  Else I get wicked hooks and draws.  If I concentrate, though, they are easily the best clubs in the bag.

[Buckeyebowman]

On 4/22/2017 at 4:15 PM, onthehunt526 said:

Ok maybe I titled this wrong. A better question would of been, "Why does it look like a lot of hybrids have a lot of offset?".... They may not but it looks that way to me. 

Come to find out the hybrids I play, their face angle is square. I'm trying to find out how much offset they have. It might be that they are a GI club geared at people who slice. Who knows? Sorry for the confusion.

That sounds about right. Offset helps lesser player square the clubface at impact. The clubface arrives at the ball just a fraction of a second later than the shaft does.