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Good article. 

Do you think Trackman might show that the other top golfers could and did hit the same shot, only not as well? 

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32 minutes ago, JonMA1 said:

Do you think Trackman might show that the other top golfers could and did hit the same shot, only not as well? 

What's "not as well" mean? The numbers would show that it wasn't hit "as well" or that it wasn't "the same shot."

Plus, Hogan didn't hit every shot better than every other golfer at the time… he just hit more good shots more often, or with a tighter dispersion. I think Hogan's ability would show up over 30 shots, not after one shot.

And to those who think Hogan wouldn't have spent hours on a Flightscope or Trackman… they don't seem to understand Ben Hogan at all. :-)

I agree with the general assessments and numbers listed in the article.

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22 minutes ago, iacas said:

And to those who think Hogan wouldn't have spent hours on a Flightscope or Trackman… they don't seem to understand Ben Hogan at all.

Yeah no doubt. I think had Hogan had the tech of today he would've created one hell of 'lab' in his home. 

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45 minutes ago, iacas said:

What's "not as well" mean? The numbers would show that it wasn't hit "as well" or that it wasn't "the same shot."

It was a suggestion that while others may have been able hit the same exact shot, they were unable to hit it with the same precision and repeatability as Hogan.

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7 hours ago, iacas said:

And to those who think Hogan wouldn't have spent hours on a Flightscope or Trackman… they don't seem to understand Ben Hogan at all. :-)

Hogan probably would have used both at the same time ;-)

And high speed video. Brandel would criticize him for being too much of a mechanical player. 

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If someone made a movie where Hogan came back from the dead to current day and said to all those claiming his name and likeness for profit, man, you got it all wrong, I would watch the heck out of that. 

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On 5/28/2017 at 7:28 AM, JonMA1 said:

Good article. 

Do you think Trackman might show that the other top golfers could and did hit the same shot, only not as well? 

Well...  actually..   I think that if Hogan were around today then his swing would be different.   Hogan spent eons at the range perfecting the perfect swing for the equipment and golf balls of his time.   both of those things have made very large advancements since his time.   I'm sure if he were around today, he would have made changes in his swing,  specifically, that would have drastically increased the loft on his tee shots. Additionally, balls today have much less spin, so he may not have been so adamant about avoiding the hook at all costs.  

That's a lot of blabber to ultimately say that, if you put top golfers on the trackman today, they would not have the same shot as hogan, because Hogan's swing was not optimal for today's game.    

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1 hour ago, lastings said:

Well...  actually..   I think that if Hogan were around today then his swing would be different.   Hogan spent eons at the range perfecting the perfect swing for the equipment and golf balls of his time.   both of those things have made very large advancements since his time.   I'm sure if he were around today, he would have made changes in his swing,  specifically, that would have drastically increased the loft on his tee shots. Additionally, balls today have much less spin, so he may not have been so adamant about avoiding the hook at all costs.  

That's a lot of blabber to ultimately say that, if you put top golfers on the trackman today, they would not have the same shot as hogan, because Hogan's swing was not optimal for today's game.    

I think it's safe to say that if he had more information to begin with (as he would by having a Trackman), he would have progressed faster. As far as equipment, he might have customized any of today's clubs just as he did back then... who knows? You're probably right about not needing to work on some of the stuff as much because of the new equipment. Of course, the article talks about sending a Trackman back in time, not bringing Hogan to the future.

As far as others having the same swing, I shouldn't have used the word "exactly". What I was getting at is that while Hogan was a better ball striker than his peers, that doesn't necessarily mean all of the others were so inept that they couldn't hit a similar type of shot. 

That said, I know so little about Hogan's ball flight, his competitor's swings, and Trackman numbers that I can't really defend that opinion.

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This may seem like an odd reference, but it has stuck in my mind. There's an old Bob Hope film where he and his honey are playing golf and Hogan makes a cameo appearance. He shows up on the tee with them and asks if he can play through. They say yes, Hogan tees it up and hits his drive.

What an incredibly athletic swing he made! But, I'm sure that if you compared it to the modern swing, it would vary in quite a few ways.

Several people have mentioned equipment. Hogan played steel shafts, persimmon headed woods, and forged blade irons. If he had today's equipment I'm sure he would have figured out how to maximize it's potential.

Also, if you could send a Trackman back in time Hogan would have figured out how to make best use of that as well. As Hogan said many times, "I dug my game out of the dirt!" With a Trackman he could also dig his game out of the data!

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