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Patch Incredible Member

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Perhaps I  missed the thread, but what's the story on this vertical groove driver?

Anyone even seen one?

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Piz Great Member

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Haven't seen one in person; but watched a Rick Shiels video and read some reviews and comments.  No one not affiliated with the company seems to think the grooves have any effect.  On the other hand; most people hit it well, liked the look of it, etc...Too rich for my blood.

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I remember seeing pictures of it and then forgot about it. Their claims are a bit far fetched:

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Our patented VGG technology is not just an evolution in golf—it’s a 90 degree revolution in golf. VGG changes the game for golfers of every skill-level. The physical properties of this new technology push concentric shock waves away from the shaft giving a crisp, clean response in the hands of the golfer. VGG technology tightens the dispersion and causes a more forward spin and less exaggeration of any slice or hook. Hit more fairways and lower your score with the Vertical Groove Driver.

AFAIK the grooves on a driver don't really do much. On your irons and wedges, they act as a channel to allow debris to move into so the club can get better contact with the ball, similar to how the treads work on your car tires.

This function is unnecessary on a driver. That's why a lot of manufacturers don't even have grooves on the center of the face and a lot of them use grooves to as a design element to help you frame the ball or whatever at address.

I think that latter point is where the benefit of vertical grooves might come into play. Perhaps changing the direction of the lines affects the way some people aim the club, similar to how offset works. As far as changing the groove orientation affecting the physical properties of the club, I highly doubt it.

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Pointless on a driver, yeah. Some drivers don't even have grooves in the hitting area. They're decoration/alignment, basically.

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cooke119 Great Member

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19 hours ago, iacas said:

Pointless on a driver, yeah. Some drivers don't even have grooves in the hitting area. They're decoration/alignment, basically.

I agree, my Cobra driver has no grooves in the hitting area.


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Hacker James Great Member

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Been getting a lot of ads about this vertical groove driver hype. Amazing how easily people are swayed by the latest gimmick. Hell, even normal grooves don't do much other than  possibly shed water away. I can remember years ago that at some driving ranges, the "drivers" were smooth faced.  I once had a pitching wedge that was grooveless, but did have a milled face.  It was called Pal Joey.  Then again, people buy groove sharpeners. Not sure that has any benefit either. 

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Vinny Cap Great Member

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Not sure I have seen that one yet...  I say if you didn't get the Hammer, nothing will help you!  LOL

Curious why no post on the new T less driver Notah Begay is selling on Golf Channel.

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50 minutes ago, Vinny Cap said:

Not sure I have seen that one yet...  I say if you didn't get the Hammer, nothing will help you!  LOL

Curious why no post on the new T less driver Notah Begay is selling on Golf Channel.

 That T less driver looks not much more than a strong 3 wood or the XE1 driver that "swings like a 7 iron".

 

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Vinny Cap Great Member

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30 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

 That T less driver looks not much more than a strong 3 wood or the XE1 driver that "swings like a 7 iron".

 

They are all the same.  Try and Steal my $$$ for some off club with magical hopes of curing everyone's golfing blues.

I usually giggle and yell for my son to get the phone!  Hurry! The commercial is almost over!!!

He comes in a min or so later and say sorry dad, bla, bla bla and we bust out laughing.

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@Vinny Cap, a raggione!

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Another gimmick

 

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Vinny Cap Great Member

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12 hours ago, Hacker James said:

@Vinny Cap, a raggione!

We are a funny bunch.

8 hours ago, paperclip said:

Another gimmick

 

99% of all the "aids" are gimmicks.  I feel bad for the folks who drop $$$ thinking this one will fix my issues... then this one and so on and so on.

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On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 3:07 PM, iacas said:

Pointless on a driver, yeah. Some drivers don't even have grooves in the hitting area. They're decoration/alignment, basically.

I think Bridgestone claimed that grooves on a driver can actually reduce spin. They were using horizontal grooves through. I think it had something to with hitting up and how low loft the driver is at impact.

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SPJr Well Established Member

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Yeah, just like everyone else agreed --- nonsense.

I believe Kenny Perry uses this driver on the Champion's Tour, right?

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3 hours ago, SPJr said:

Yeah, just like everyone else agreed --- nonsense.

I believe Kenny Perry uses this driver on the Champion's Tour, right?

The web page for these claim several pro's using them. mostly seniors.  Some of those players will endorse anything if the price is right.

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9 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

Some of those players will endorse anything if the price is right.

Can you really blame them? They didn't make what players make today.

Bill

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