LPGA's Lincicome will play in PGA Event in July

[iacas]

48 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

So the more I think about the 8 who withdrew, the more it bothers me. I could see if it was a Monday qualifier, but the tournament itself? A lot of us, myself included, felt Brittany didn't belong, but she showed way more class then those clowns. THEY took spots, and courtesy cars, and whatever other perks Tour guys get. Yet they couldn't be bothered to spend one more night in a nice hotel and fulfill a commitment? I wonder how the Tour would feel if the bottom 10-20 guys pulled this crap every Thursday night. I know one thing, if I ran this tournament I'd give spots to 8 more LPGA players before I let these jokers back again.

Really?

Disagree. And their WDs have nothing to do with Brittany. The calculus is completely different.

They didn’t have a commitment. They had no obligation to play the last two holes, spend the extra time and money away, just to MC, given the weather delay.

It’s not like they just walked off mid-round on an average Friday with good weather and no injury.

[GrandStranded]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

Really?

Disagree. And their WDs have nothing to do with Brittany. The calculus is completely different.

I wouldn't change one word. I said Brittany showed more class. If you think those 8 WD's behaved like professionals, not much to talk about. Agree to disagree.

[iacas]

Just now, GrandStranded said:

I wouldn't change one word. I said Brittany showed more class. If you think those 8 WD's behaved like professionals, not much to talk about. Agree to disagree.

How did they fail to be “professional”? They’re under no obligation.

It’s got nothing to do with class.

[GrandStranded]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

How did they fail to be “professional”? They’re under no obligation.

It’s got nothing to do with class.

 I'm sure the Tour and the corporate sponsors would love it if the bottom 10-20 would hop into their tournament provided courtesy cars with their pricey tournament gift bags and headed home every Thursday night when they thought it wasn't worth their time. Again, we apparently look at this differently.

[iacas]

Just now, GrandStranded said:

 I'm sure the Tour and the corporate sponsors would love it if the bottom 10-20 would hop into their tournament provided courtesy cars with their pricey tournament gift bags and headed home every Thursday night when they thought it wasn't worth their time. Again, we apparently look at this differently.

They didn’t head home Thursday night. This is an entirely different situation.

And it was 8. Not even the 10 from your “10-20.”

[GrandStranded]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

They didn’t head home Thursday night. This is an entirely different situation.

And it was 8. Not even the 10 from your “10-20.”

I know how many it was and you know the point I was making. The only difference was they would have to spend an extra night in a luxury hotel to fulfill a commitment. Like a professional.

[Big C]

27 minutes ago, iacas said:

Really?

Disagree. And their WDs have nothing to do with Brittany. The calculus is completely different.

8 withdrawals seems high to me. I’m willing to be corrected but my suspicion is that that the number of WD’s in your typical tournament is much lower. 

And if my suspicion is correct, it seems quite likely to me that they did have something to do with Brittany. Or more specifically, not wanting to get beat by a woman.

[GrandStranded]

Just now, Big C said:

8 withdrawals seems high to me. I’m willing to be corrected but my suspicion is that that the number of WD’s in your typical tournament is much lower. 

And if my suspicion is correct, it seems quite likely to me that they did have something to do with Brittany. Or more specifically, not wanting to get beat by a woman.

No, I don't think so. I think the rain delay meant they had to come back today to finish their second round. They wouldn't do that.

[iacas]

Just now, GrandStranded said:

I know how many it was and you know the point I was making. The only difference was they would have to spend an extra night in a luxury hotel to fulfill a commitment. Like a professional.

Uh, no.

It wasn’t Thursday night. Way to ignore the most basic thing.

They’re not “obligated” like you keep saying.

A luxury hotel? They’re paying to stay. They’re paying their caddie to stay. And given that this was an opposite field event many were probably staying in a Days Inn or something. And paying and spending more time away from friends and family or even their next stop to do so.

Professionals? They’re free agents.

1 minute ago, Big C said:

8 withdrawals seems high to me. I’m willing to be corrected but my suspicion is that that the number of WD’s in your typical tournament is much lower. 

And if my suspicion is correct, it seems quite likely to me that they did have something to do with Brittany. Or more specifically, not wanting to get beat by a woman.

It’s way more than usual. But most tournaments have a cut Friday afternoon.

Only two were likely going to lose to Brittany.

[GrandStranded]

3 minutes ago, iacas said:

Uh, no.

It wasn’t Thursday night. Way to ignore the most basic thing.

They’re not “obligated” like you keep saying.

A luxury hotel? They’re paying to stay. They’re paying their caddie to stay. And given that this was an opposite field event many were probably staying in a Days Inn or something. And paying and spending more time away from friends and family or even their next stop to do so.

Professionals? They’re free agents.

It’s way more than usual. But most tournaments have a cut Friday afternoon.

Only two were likely going to lose to Brittany.

First, I never used the word "obligated". Second, I never said it happened on a Thursday. Everyone knows when it happened. Third, please, these aren't mini tour players. They are a few Web.com and PGA Tour guys. I doubt any of them were staying at a Days Inn, but if they were, I would spend the extra $50 for the room and finish my second round. Fourth, If they're all free agents why do they, as members of the Tour get medical, retirement, and other benefits? They agree as members of whatever Tour they play on to abide by certain things. I'm quite sure WDing on a whim isn't one of them.

[iacas]

7 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

First, I never used the word "obligated".

Commitment is a synonym.

8 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

Second, I never said it happened on a Thursday. 

Huh?

31 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

I'm sure the Tour and the corporate sponsors would love it if the bottom 10-20 would hop into their tournament provided courtesy cars with their pricey tournament gift bags and headed home every Thursday night when they thought it wasn't worth their time. Again, we apparently look at this differently.

Different situation entirely.

10 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

Third, please, these aren't mini tour players. They are a few Web.com and PGA Tour guys. I doubt any of them were staying at a Days Inn, but if they were, I would spend the extra $50 for the room and finish my second round.

Yeah. Guy Boros is rolling in it at 53 (he's made a whopping $26k this year while having to pay caddies, travel, etc.). And you can't say "luxury hotel" but then argue that it's only $50/night. When does another person's expenses become their decision, not yours?

11 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

Fourth, If they're all free agents why do they, as members of the Tour get medical, retirement, and other benefits? They agree as members of whatever Tour they play on to abide by certain things. I'm quite sure WDing on a whim isn't one of them.

You’re quite sure? Of what? There are penalties for WDing without a reason… but the PGA Tour also "understands" some situations and is reasonable about their actions.

And… they didn’t withdraw on a whim.

They had completely logical reasons for withdrawing. That's the opposite of withdrawing on a whim.

[JonMA1]

For the life of me, I can't understand why it's so important exactly how many guys she did or didn't beat, finished higher than on the leaderboard, or outlasted, or however anyone wants to define what she did. 

She was given a challenge. She struggled on the first round and came back and shot under par in the second on a course longer and setup a bit more difficult than she's accustomed to playing.

So the women aren't as good as the men... so what? They're still pretty f***ing good at this game.

 

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I don't mind these sorts of sponsor exemptions. It's kind of like when Steph Curry was invited to play at a  Web.com event (I think). If memory serves, he also did a little better than many expected.

[iacas]

Because it’s a sport, @JonMA1. It directly lends itself to comparisons. That’s why they keep score.

[Golfingdad]

1 hour ago, Big C said:

8 withdrawals seems high to me. I’m willing to be corrected but my suspicion is that that the number of WD’s in your typical tournament is much lower. 

And if my suspicion is correct, it seems quite likely to me that they did have something to do with Brittany. Or more specifically, not wanting to get beat by a woman.

I wondered the exact same thing and checked.  Most tournaments have many fewer WDs but like was mentioned, and I think it’s proven by the fact that most of them finished a number of holes on Friday, that they likely just didnt want to come back Saturday to finish a round that they already knew wouldn’t get them through to the weekend.  (The cut was -4 on this course and all of these guys shot 74-79 on Thursday)

[billchao]

8 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

I wondered the exact same thing and checked.  Most tournaments have many fewer WDs but like was mentioned, and I think it’s proven by the fact that most of them finished a number of holes on Friday, that they likely just didnt want to come back Saturday to finish a round that they already knew wouldn’t get them through to the weekend.  (The cut was -4 on this course and all of these guys shot 74-79 on Thursday)

Agreed. The WDs were likely due to logistics and not lack of etiquette or professionalism, etc. Let them go home to their families on Saturday like they would have anyway if the weather didn't postpone play.

[Patch]

16 hours ago, iacas said:

Really?

Disagree. And their WDs have nothing to do with Brittany. The calculus is completely different.

They didn’t have a commitment. They had no obligation to play the last two holes, spend the extra time and money away, just to MC, given the weather delay.

It’s not like they just walked off mid-round on an average Friday with good weather and no injury.

Agree, that the WDs had nothing to do with the Lady, or at the very least very little to do with it. However, from my view point, and one of the reasons I don't pay much attention to televised pga events is the lack of respect some of the pros exhibit towards the game. These pros, who without injuries, showed disrespect  for that tournament by going home early.

As for the girl playing against the boys, the finished the tournament. She also, to her credit, didn't finish last.  

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Patch said:

Agree, that the WDs had nothing to do with the Lady, or at the very least very little to do with it. However, from my view point, and one of the reasons I don't pay much attention to televised pga events is the lack of respect some of the pros exhibit towards the game. These pros, who without injuries, showed disrespect  for that tournament by going home early.

They didn’t disrespect the game. Christ.

It’s a business. And they’re humans with expenses. Families. Lives.

[JonMA1]

15 hours ago, iacas said:

Because it’s a sport, @JonMA1. It directly lends itself to comparisons. That’s why they keep score.

All it means is that she is good enough to shoot below par in a single round and 5 over after two. Some of the guys had lousy rounds and she finished ahead of them. To me, her score relative to par  and that she was able to do so much better on her second day is much more interesting.

I was hoping she'd do well because I do enjoy watching the LPGA. So to me it's cool that she beat some expectations. But it's a small sample and would likely be different under other circumstances. Maybe she'd beat more of the men, maybe less.