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  On 12/18/2019 at 2:46 PM, iacas said:

I downloaded the video after the PGA Tour issued a takedown notice on the first version of that edit.

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Was it this? Assuming this doesn't get taken down, lol.

 

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  On 12/18/2019 at 5:11 PM, nevets88 said:

Was it this? Assuming this doesn't get taken down, lol.

 

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Doh! Taken down. Well, this is the gist...

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  On 12/18/2019 at 6:03 PM, Herkimer said:

Who took the video down?   And why?  I'm not understanding this.

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PGA Tour taking down any of the unofficial clips on the interwebs. It wants people to watch the actual broadcast, guessing.

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  On 12/18/2019 at 6:11 PM, nevets88 said:

PGA Tour taking down any of the unofficial clips on the interwebs. It wants people to watch the actual ads, guessing.

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  On 12/18/2019 at 6:33 PM, krupa said:

FTFY

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  On 12/18/2019 at 7:55 PM, Herkimer said:

Oh, okay.  Thanks.  Now I get it.  But how ridiculous.  

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Well, legally, it's their copyrighted content. And if you are caught selectively enforcing stuff like trademarks or copyrights, that can end poorly.

I get both sides is all I'm saying, including the Tour's.

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Ah, I see this edit is going around, so maybe PGA Tour trying to get rid of everything?

 

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  On 12/18/2019 at 10:02 PM, nevets88 said:

Ah, I see this edit is going around, so maybe PGA Tour trying to get rid of everything?

 

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I knew you would find it Steve!

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  On 12/18/2019 at 9:34 PM, iacas said:

Well, legally, it's their copyrighted content. And if you are caught selectively enforcing stuff like trademarks or copyrights, that can end poorly.

I get both sides is all I'm saying, including the Tour's.

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Especially if the rumor is true that right's fee is going from 400 to 700 million a year.

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I did not know this, Woods said he wasn't quite right Saturday.

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Tiger Woods received all sorts of criticism on Saturday of the Presidents Cup when he decided to sit himself out of both sessions with his team...

 

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I did not know this, Woods said he wasn't quite right Saturday.

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I think it was a good thing he sat.

It's the busiest day to be a captain, with eight matches, partner decisions, afternoon pairings to make, etc.

If he didn't play in the morning, it takes him 3 hours to warm up, so he wasn't gonna play in the afternoon. And the morning matches started really early, so… he probably wasn't gonna play those.

His captaining took more attention.

I thought it was fine that he sat out on Saturday.

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"At about 10 o'clock, (Woods) said, 'Guys, my body is not going to let me go. I'm not going to play this afternoon,'" Couples said on the radio. "Of course, Stricker hopped on and said, 'Tiger please, can you go in right now and get loose and warm.' He said, 'Strick, I can't do it.' Zach said, "Tiger, are you sure, you sure?' (Woods) said, 'I believe in the team,' and I'm like, 'Yeah, so do I, but I believe that you need to be playing.'''

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That implies to me that:

  • He knows it takes him a while to warm up.
  • Had he left that early to warm up, there'd be nobody captaining the squad. I think he can only give captain duties to someone else when he's playing, not whenever he wants to just because he's in the physio trailer or something.

That said, it was cooler on Saturday, so, whatever.

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  On 12/19/2019 at 10:34 PM, Herkimer said:

I can't help but think that Tiger isn't happy that Freddy gave out that information.  

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Neither is Ancer.

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I enjoyed this President's Cup very much!  I liked the challenge of the International team plus I have always Liked Els as a player!  Golf is just exponentially better when Tiger Woods is playing well.  

  

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  On 12/17/2019 at 2:15 AM, David in FL said:

Leadership?  Good grief.  :doh:

They got smoked in the team matches.  They played well as the prima donna individuals that they are.  If anything, it was a leadership failure.  But hey, it’s Tiger, I get it.   

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That's your insight? Are you brand new to watching these types of matches? The U.S. typically gets smoked in the team events! We don't play a whole lot of Four Ball or Foursomes on our side of the pond! 

Several times a Summer. when we have 4 guys, we'll make 2 man teams and scramble against each other. One time I suggested that we play Foursomes. Nobody knew what the Hell I was talking about so I explained it to them. They all started shaking their heads and flapping their hands! "No way we're playing that game, dude!" Scared them to death! 

  On 12/19/2019 at 7:31 PM, iacas said:

I think it was a good thing he sat.

It's the busiest day to be a captain, with eight matches, partner decisions, afternoon pairings to make, etc.

If he didn't play in the morning, it takes him 3 hours to warm up, so he wasn't gonna play in the afternoon. And the morning matches started really early, so… he probably wasn't gonna play those.

His captaining took more attention.

I thought it was fine that he sat out on Saturday.

That implies to me that:

  • He knows it takes him a while to warm up.
  • Had he left that early to warm up, there'd be nobody captaining the squad. I think he can only give captain duties to someone else when he's playing, not whenever he wants to just because he's in the physio trailer or something.

That said, it was cooler on Saturday, so, whatever.

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And Tiger has said this outright at several tournaments earlier this year. It takes him a long time to get that old body ready to play! Considering his back, that should not be surprising. And what a lot of people don't realize is that there are a lot of things like banquets, cocktail parties, meet and greets, media obligations and such during a Ryder or President's Cup. A lot of demands on your time! 

I'm just happy with the outcome and impressed with Tiger's captaincy! 

And thank you to @nevets88 for finding that footage. Tiger said in his post round interview that he knew it was in 6 feet from the hole. Looks more like 12 in that clip! 

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