Justin Thomas Curses and in 2021 Uses Homophobic Slurs

[Braivo]

Ralph Lauren missed a big spot this week. Could've been front and center like JT's other sponsors. JT was sincere and apologetic and most people accepted that and allowed life, and JT, to carry on. Probably one of the best examples of how these situations should be handled. People make mistakes, but if they are truly repentant, then forgiveness should be offered. 

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Ralph Lauren missed a big spot this week. Could've been front and center like JT's other sponsors. JT was sincere and apologetic and most people accepted that and allowed life, and JT, to carry on. Probably one of the best examples of how these situations should be handled. People make mistakes, but if they are truly repentant, then forgiveness should be offered. 

forgiveness doesn't mean that everything goes back to normal. If a friend betrays me, I can forgive them, but in the end I would still not trust them as much as if they never betrayed my trust in the first place. 

 

[Braivo]

2 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

forgiveness doesn't mean that everything goes back to normal. If a friend betrays me, I can forgive them, but in the end I would still not trust them as much as if they never betrayed my trust in the first place. 

 

I'm talking about taking away people's livelihoods, etc. Many people may dislike JT from this, and that's fair. They can dislike him forever if they want.

But I have also found that people who have made mistakes and made amends can be the most trustworthy people in existence. They learned a humbling lesson. 

[saevel25]

5 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I'm talking about taking away people's livelihoods, etc. Many people may dislike JT from this, and that's fair. They can dislike him forever if they want.

But I have also found that people who have made mistakes and made amends can be the most trustworthy people in existence. They learned a humbling lesson. 

JT probably still has agreements with his equipment he plays. He also just won a tournament. He wasn't banned from golf. 

So, he is just fine. 

Also, are you saying that companies should not be allowed to release someone when their actions bring bad PR to their business? 

[Braivo]

1 minute ago, saevel25 said:

JT probably still has agreements with his equipment he plays. He also just won a tournament. He wasn't banned from golf. 

So, he is just fine. 

Also, are you saying that companies should not be allowed to release someone when their actions bring bad PR to their business? 

You missed my point. I was saying that the JT situation was a GOOD example of how these things can play out. Ralph Lauren was free to drop their sponsorship, which they did. But everyone else accepted his apologies and moved on, and everyone for the most part seems OK with that. So often similar situations turn out much differently. 

[Double Mocha Man]

58 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I have also found that people who have made mistakes and made amends can be the most trustworthy people in existence.

But more than a mistake I think JT's utterance was a window into his soul.  A hint of his beliefs. I think that's what most of us have trouble with.

[Sandy Lie]

I vote we delete this whole thread and move on.

[Braivo]

10 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

But more than a mistake I think JT's utterance was a window into his soul.  A hint of his beliefs. I think that's what most of us have trouble with.

Judging others' souls is a dangerous game for which none of us are qualified. Way above my pay grade. There is simply so much we don't know about a person's intent, thoughts, etc. to make sound judgements. 

There are plenty of people here who love Tiger Woods but also think JT shouldn't be forgiven. TW caused substantial, direct harm to many people's lives through his transgressions. Most seem to have forgiven him for such things. TW also seems to have maintained his friendship with JT. Should we judge those who keep company with those whose "souls" we deem unworthy?

This is a very difficult road to travel down if we anoint ourselves to be judges of others in this way. And what if we get things wrong? What if we can't see our own biases? Our each of us completely innocent? 

When I was a kid, the f** word was used as a playground insult pretty regularly. I can easily see how that can settle into your mental vocabulary with zero thought given to the meaning or intent of such a word. 

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[Keysbear152]

I have no problem with the occasional cursing being caught on mic.  What I have a problem with  is the idiot spectators who scream "get in the hole" after every shot. Please escort those morons out of the venue when they display this idiocy.

[Vinsk]

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

Ralph Lauren missed a big spot this week.

RL is fine without JT. And JT is fine without RL.

[Double Mocha Man]

2 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

RL is fine without JT. And JT is fine without RL.

Yep.  I think RL knew JT would win again.  That didn't change their course of action.

[David in FL]

20 hours ago, saevel25 said:

I never said such a word under my breathe even just towards myself. 

the word he said, the N word, and the C word are ones that are not in my vocabulary for a reason.

I do curse at myself, like dumbass. That is like a 1/10 on the offensive scale compared to him throwing out a 9/10.

There are people who are offended when they hear someone use the term dumbass.

Far too many people work far too hard to find a reason to be offended by things that other people do or say.  More often than not they’re just trying to convince themselves of their own moral superiority.

I call myself all sorts of names on the golf course and in the pool hall. Honestly most are well deserved at the time!   😑😂

 

[pganapathy]

I was having a similar discussion with my friends regarding swearing and nudity on TV.  I personally don't have any kids yet, but have absolutely no problems with either and wouldn't have a problem if and when I do have kids.  I don't understand the whole brouhaha regarding swearing.  As long as you aren't calling addressing somebody directly in a derogatory manner, who cares how much and what you swear.  I personally use the F-bomb a lot when I talk 😀

[Billy Z]

4 hours ago, saevel25 said:

forgiveness doesn't mean that everything goes back to normal. If a friend betrays me, I can forgive them, but in the end I would still not trust them as much as if they never betrayed my trust in the first place. 

 

So does JT has a 'scarlet letter' imprinted on his resume from now on?

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

So does JT has a 'scarlet letter' imprinted on his resume from now on?

I’m not speaking for Matt, but… it’s a part of his history. We have no incentive to “forget” it happened, but as time goes on it will not be the first thing people think of, then it won’t be top three, then not top five, then not top ten… and so on.

Patrick Reed still gets crapped on and he is only known to have cheated one time, and it was in 2019. No?

[ChetlovesMer]

10 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

So does JT has a 'scarlet letter' imprinted on his resume from now on?

It never crossed my mind when he won this weekend. So, I guess for me, I've moved on.

I can understand, however, if you haven't moved on. For some people the slur was a lot more personal. 

[Billy Z]

Funny thing about PR is that he is one of my favs, and so is JT. Maybe I just like the bad guys? Maybe that also has something to do with my passion for WWE? lol

[Shorty]

4 hours ago, Braivo said:

Ralph Lauren missed a big spot this week. Could've been front and center like JT's other sponsors. JT was sincere and apologetic and most people accepted that and allowed life, and JT, to carry on. Probably one of the best examples of how these situations should be handled. People make mistakes, but if they are truly repentant, then forgiveness should be offered. 

Ralph Lauren has moved on.

JT has moved on.

People on this site have moved on.

He has been forgiven by pretty much everyone.

The only "debate" is from twits who think that the word "fa***" is a "curse word" - the same as dick, or jerk or f*ckwit.

Ralph Lauren didn't miss anything. IN fact, the publicity they gained from doing waht they did may have been a smart financial move.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Shorty