Slow Play on the Cactus Tour

[iacas]

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[woodzie264]

53 minutes ago, iacas said:

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That’s horrific 

[ChetlovesMer]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

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Wow, it really seems like this should have been addressed long before she got to this point. I assume she has a swing coach. Or has had a swing coach or a friend with which she has played. Somebody should have told her this isn't acceptable before she got this far. 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, ChetlovesMer said:

Wow, it really seems like this should have been addressed long before she got to this point. I assume she has a swing coach. Or has had a swing coach or a friend with which she has played. Somebody should have told her this isn't acceptable before she got this far. 

I’m generalizing but women in particular are often reluctant to say anything.

[The Flush]

I read somewhere (maybe within the Tweet responses) that she knows she is slow and just doesn't care. Allegedly she has been put on the clock by the 2nd hole and they frequently try to send her out last, and she asks how much her fine will be as she turns in her scorecard.

[RayG]

Easy to fix. As in many sports trying to address various issues. start in the lower tiers.

A shot clock that begins in the Junior Ranks. AJGA, High School, then Collegiate, etc... Get a warning when "on the clock". After that- First offense in a tournament- 1 stroke. 2nd- 2 strokes, 3rd- DQ.

 

[DaveP043]

14 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

I assume she has a swing coach.

I don't know that swing coaches, in general, care much about pace of play.  If a pre-shot routine helps the player his better shots, then use it and hit better shots.  If an additional step to the routine will help more, use that additional step.  The player's "job" is to shoot the best score she can, that's her primary motivation.  She's only going to speed up if she think's she'll lose strokes.  Most Pace of Play policies make it pretty dang difficult to penalize anyone.

[ChetlovesMer]

8 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I don't know that swing coaches, in general, care much about pace of play.  If a pre-shot routine helps the player his better shots, then use it and hit better shots.  If an additional step to the routine will help more, use that additional step.  The player's "job" is to shoot the best score she can, that's her primary motivation.  She's only going to speed up if she think's she'll lose strokes.  Most Pace of Play policies make it pretty dang difficult to penalize anyone.

To a large degree, I think you are correct, Dave.

But I would think any swing coach worth his/her salt would upon evaluating your pre-shot routine suggest making it so that you aren't penalized for slow play. 

I remember very early in my golf life having a swing coach tell me that if you want to stand behind the ball and pick a line, fine. If you want to take a practice swing or two, fine. But you don't take a practice swing or two and then stand behind the ball only to take more practice swings after standing behind the ball. I'll bet a dachshunds to donuts that the first two practice swings add no benefit if you take them and then go stand behind the ball and then go do more practice swings after standing behind the ball. 

13 hours ago, iacas said:

I’m generalizing but women in particular are often reluctant to say anything.

You are probably right. I had a buddy tell me years ago that my putting pre-shot routine was too long. I appreciated his comments and made changes to where now I think I'm one of the faster players on the green. 

[Denny Bang Bang]

[dennyjones]

2 hours ago, Denny Bang Bang said:

I use that on my wife and she says "That ship has already sailed!"

[bkuehn1952]

Yikes! 1:15 to hit. I have timed a few players I consider slow, and it always amazes me how loooooong 30 seconds seems.

[sjduffers]

Hey, that's nothing! I once played with a player that took 1 minute and 40 seconds on average. I timed him on several holes for several kinds of shots (driver, approach, short game and even putting), so I had data to back up my talk with him.

I then told him he was slow because this and that, showed him the the 40 seconds rule in the current rules (5.6), and gave him his time. He said, Ok that may be a "bit" slow, and he indeed sped up for the rest of the round, taking only 50 seconds on average. 🤦‍♂️. Happy to see the improvement, but not happy enough to want to ever play with him again, lol

ETA: Never mind that immediate memory does not last more than 8 seconds and it's way longer than that between practice swings (plural) and the actual hit, both with this video and the guy I was talking about. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by sjduffers

[bkuehn1952]

16 hours ago, sjduffers said:

...I then told him he was slow because this and that, showed him the the 40 seconds rule in the current rules (5.6), and gave him his time...

Thank you for taking the time to talk to this player. It is a slow process but if we all educate a few slow players each year, something might sink in.