Baltimore protests

[Golfingdad]

I don't want to derail the thread into other topics which will surely put us at odds. My point is we've seen an erosion of our Constitutional rights over time and it will likely continue, we can't just pick and choose which ones we want to defend since they are all protected by the same document.

I agree, but if you're gonna throw out little nuggets like that without further explanation or documentation, then what do you expect me to do?  You know me better than that.

+1

sorry for my role in derailing this!

Meh, whatever.  Nobody derailed anything.  The thread hasn't been about Baltimore all day - we've been discussing @RFKFREAK So lets blame him!!!!!!!!!!!

You (kinda) know me!

The carry permits are what you want to focus on.  You can own a gun everywhere, I think, but you need a permit to carry it outside your home.  DC's stance on this has been in flux.  I think it was flat out illegal to carry in DC until the Supreme Court struck that law down, maybe 5 years ago?  Then they tried to fix the law so that it complied with the Supreme Court's decision, but still essentially blocked all gun ownership, and that was struck down recently.  The current version of the law says you have to prove "good cause" for a carry permit, which is basically still a no.  This is based on MD's gun laws.  You have to pretty much show that there is a threat to your life and there's no other way to protect yourself.

7 years ago, it appears.  In 2008 the Supreme Court struck down a law from 1975 deemed unconstitutional.  So, if anything, @newtogolf 's statement (in regards to DC - which was the one example given) that the rights of people to own guns have been compromised is actually backward.  Since 1976, the rights of people to own guns in Washington DC have INCREASED.

[dsc123]

7 years ago, it appears.  In 2008 the Supreme Court struck down a law from 1975 deemed unconstitutional.  So, if anything, @newtogolf 's statement (in regards to DC - which was the one example given) that the rights of people to own guns have been compromised is actually backward.  Since 1976, the rights of people to own guns in Washington DC have INCREASED.

That's true.  There is a snowball's chance in hell that you can get a carry permit in DC now.  Which is more than before.

[newtogolf]

I agree, but if you're gonna throw out little nuggets like that without further explanation or documentation, then what do you expect me to do?  You know me better than that.

Meh, whatever.  Nobody derailed anything.  The thread hasn't been about Baltimore all day - we've been discussing @RFKFREAK   So lets blame him!!!!!!!!!!!

7 years ago, it appears.  In 2008 the Supreme Court struck down a law from 1975 deemed unconstitutional.  So, if anything, @newtogolf 's statement (in regards to DC - which was the one example given) that the rights of people to own guns have been compromised is actually backward.  Since 1976, the rights of people to own guns in Washington DC have INCREASED.

Read through all the caveats that apply to concealed carry.  Also read the entire background check, fingerprinting, turn around time, etc.

NY isn't that much different from DC.  I applied for a hand gun permit 4 months ago and still waiting.

I stand by my statement that our right to bear arms has been severely compromised over time since the document was written.

You're right and I do know you better.  I was simply trying to point out that some defend specific constitutional rights over others.

[Golfingdad]

Read through all the caveats that apply to concealed carry.  Also read the entire background check, fingerprinting, turn around time, etc.

NY isn't that much different from DC.  I applied for a hand gun permit 4 months ago and still waiting.

I stand by my statement that our right to bear arms has been severely compromised over time since the document was written.

You're right and I do know you better.  I was simply trying to point out that some defend specific constitutional rights over others.

That's fine.  I don't know that I'd agree that choosing not to dole out concealed carry permits willy-nilly is really compromising the right, but I can see and appreciate why you do.  BTW, this reminds me of the movie Tombstone.  Virgil Earp posts an anti-gun law and they all get upset, and he tells them all to relax, saying ... "Nobody's saying you can't own a gun.  Hell, nobody's even saying you can't carry a gun.  Alls we're saying is you can't carry a gun in town .  That's not so bad, is it?"

Now, do you have a similar example about the freedom of religion thing (or was that just in there for dramatic effect)?

[dsc123]

You really want to get into the whole war on Christmas thing?

[newtogolf]

You really want to get into the whole war on Christmas thing?

or school prayer, mandating businesses provide services for events that violate their religious beliefs, etc.

[dsc123]

or school prayer, mandating businesses provide services for events that violate their religious beliefs, etc.

Don't do it, @Golfingdad !

[Golfingdad]

or school prayer, mandating businesses provide services for events that violate their religious beliefs, etc.

Don't do it, @Golfingdad!

LOL. and (to both of you).

[newtogolf]

LOL.   and  (to both of you).

one for each of you!

[14ledo81]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 14ledo81

Speech and the right to bear arms are sometimes limited.

On the phone so it's not easy to elaborate.

Basically I can't take my gun anywhere, and say whatever I want wherever I want either.

Do you think the random searches before boarding planes should end?

Yes.  The courts places limits on both.   For example, you can be stopped, and patted down, if there is specific, articulable, and individualized suspicion that crime is afoot.

But you're saying that it should go even further--search whatever they want if its useful to catch criminals.  My point was that if that same standard were applied to the first and second amendment, you'd probably be very unhappy.   For example, banning guns might be useful to stopping bank robberies, but you wouldn't agree with such a law, right?

Or perhaps that wasn't what you meant and I misunderstood you--it wouldn't be the first time ;)

Definitely not what I meant, and you would be correct that I would not be happy with the gun banning.

I guess I am not sure where the line should be drawn with the searching.  I guess I do not really have a problem with what is in place now though.  Obviously others could feel differently.

[Golfingdad]

one for each of you!

That's crap!  There are 4 beers there, one for each of us means two for you.  What are you, a socialist?!?!

[Ernest Jones]

That's crap!  There are 4 beers there, one for each of us means two for you.  What are you, a socialist?!?!:-P

Oh Christ, don't get me going on socialism now. ;-)

[Golfingdad]

Oh Christ, don't get me going on socialism now.

[newtogolf]

That's crap!  There are 4 beers there, one for each of us means two for you.  What are you, a socialist?!?!

Socialist, hell no, I'm a capitalist.  I keep two beers and give you each one and tell you how happy you should be for having one.

[Golfingdad]

Socialist, hell no, I'm a capitalist.  I keep two beers and give you each one and tell you how happy you should be for having one.

Ha!!  I would keep this going but if I don't stop now @billchao or @boogielicious are gonna come and scold me and ruin the fun.

Let's get back on topic!!!!!!!!!!  Sheesh guys.

[rkim291968]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

That's crap!  There are 4 beers there, one for each of us means two for you.  What are you, a socialist?!?!

Socialist, hell no, I'm a capitalist.  I keep two beers and give you each one and tell you how happy you should be for having one.

If you are a capitalist, you keep two beers, and sell a beer to each for a 80% mark up.  A socialist will pour out 4 beers into a large pitcher, and equally redistribute in equal amount to all 3.

[billchao]

Ha!!  I would keep this going but if I don't stop now @billchao or @boogielicious are gonna come and scold me and ruin the fun.

Let's get back on topic!!!!!!!!!!  Sheesh guys.

WTF are you all talking about?

No beer for any of you. #facist

(those are mine )

[Phil McGleno]

WTF are you all talking about? No beer for any of you. #facist  :beer:

What is a facist?