NFL Draft

[boogielicious]

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

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Originally Posted by newtogolf

Jets said they'd select the best player available so I guess that's what they did.  They haven't signed Wilkerson yet so maybe this is insurance in case they can't reach an agreement.

@JetFan1983 should like this video.

This is what I think about the Jets, you, everything about you, your video, chowder, and Tom Brady:

Wow!  Just Wow!  Why do they bother going to the games?

[Shindig]

Wow!  Just Wow!  Why do they bother going to the games? :-)

Keep in mind what game that was at. The title says "Thanksgiving" and someone references Tebow around the time some #15 walks past, and this was halftime... I don't think they went to the game with the intent of being rude to the players. Do you remember the second quarter of the Jets' Thanksgiving game from the year Tebow was on the team? That's what the fans just witnessed.

[turtleback]

Nope, not ready. Even Andrew Luck struggled his first year. He is not NFL ready. He might be the starter, but that doesn't mean he will be NFL ready.

Most ready to step in doesn't mean he's worth a #1 pick. I don't see Winston being that mature to take the NFL seriously.

Only 1 QB has made it in the NFL and lived up to the #1 pick in the past 10 years and that is Andrew Luck and it took him 2 years to get good. Winston isn't even in the same level as Andrew Luck.

Andrew Luck: Top 5 QB right now

Cam Newton: above average QB, not elite

Sam Bradford: Bust

JaMarcus Russell: Bust

Alex Smith: Bust

Eli Manning: Bust

Carson Palmer: Had a good few years, slightly above average QB

David Carr: Bust

Michael Vick: Yo-Yo career, slightly above average QB

Tim Couch: Bust

Take sure bets with the top picks. Defensive line, Offensive Line, Pass Rushers. A good offensive line makes a mediocre QB look good. Bad OL makes great QB's look really bad.

From what I hear TB needed help on the DL. The best D-Line guy was the guy from USC. From what I see it's either him or Winston ranked #1 or #2 as the best players in the draft. Heck NFL.com has Williams #1 overall and Winston as #5 overall. I bet Williams has a better career than Winston.

Sorry, but you lost all football credibility when you labelled a 2-time Superbowl MVP a bust.

[saevel25]

Sorry, but you lost all football credibility when you labelled a 2-time Superbowl MVP a bust.

Yep, he's a bust. Only going over 30 TD's once in a season. Led the league 3 times in INT's. Has a career Sub 60% completion percentage. Got bailed out in the Superbowls by a dominant defensive line and a WR who made a circus catch. Its almost like they had to give the MVP to an individual, so they gave it to Eli as a cop out, so they couldn't give it to the entire defense that kept those prolific NEP offense restrained.

In the era of the QB, he's a bust for someone who was drafted 1st overall. He road on his brother's coat-tails to a number 1 overall pick in the draft and has never lived up to that pick. He can thank Tom Coughlin, that NYG defense and a circus catch for the rings he is wearing.

[iacas]

Sorry, but you lost all football credibility when you labelled a 2-time Superbowl MVP a bust.

I disagree with both you and @saevel25 . He has not been a bust (c'mon Matt, that's just dumb), but he hasn't been "great" either. The jury's still out on "good."

[RJH999]

I disagree with both you and @saevel25 . He has not been a bust (c'mon Matt, that's just dumb), but he hasn't been "great" either. The jury's still out on "good."

He's aight.

[turtleback]

I disagree with both you and @saevel25. He has not been a bust (c'mon Matt, that's just dumb), but he hasn't been "great" either. The jury's still out on "good."

I never said he was great, so I am not sure what you are disagreeing with.  But if you say to any GM you can draft QB x with the #1 pick and the only thing I am going to tell you about his future is that he will start every game for you for 10 years and be the SB MVP twice, every single GM would draft that guy.  Calling such a player a bust is beyond ridiculous.

[billchao]

I disagree with both you and @saevel25 . He has not been a bust (c'mon Matt, that's just dumb), but he hasn't been "great" either. The jury's still out on "good."

He's definitely not a bust. Not sure how anyone who started 167 games can be considered a bust. He's also not great. Not that he's ever had more than a handful of good receivers to work with at any given time, but great QBs make their receivers better, and Eli isn't capable of doing that. As far as being a #1 draft pick though, since that's @saevel25 's criticism, the Giants got their franchise QB, so I think he's just fine. Their problem isn't at the QB position. [quote name="turtleback" url="/t/81742/nfl-draft/30#post_1136781"]But if you say to any GM you can draft QB x with the #1 pick and the only thing I am going to tell you about his future is that he will start every game for you for 10 years and be the SB MVP twice, every single GM would draft that guy.  Calling such a player a bust is beyond ridiculous. [/quote]This, exactly.

[dsc123]

The bills are going for character guys. The one who videotapped jameis Winstons encounter with his accuser, then deleted it, and the fsu running back that beat up his pregnant girlfrienD! Go bills!

[meenman]

Eli Manning: Bust

When was the last time you were drug tested? 2 super bowl victories and you say *bust?*

Nevermind his career year last year with no defense. Stick to your day job........

[flopster]

Nope, not ready. Even Andrew Luck struggled his first year. He is not NFL ready. He might be the starter, but that doesn't mean he will be NFL ready.

Most ready to step in doesn't mean he's worth a #1 pick. I don't see Winston being that mature to take the NFL seriously.

Only 1 QB has made it in the NFL and lived up to the #1 pick in the past 10 years and that is Andrew Luck and it took him 2 years to get good. Winston isn't even in the same level as Andrew Luck.

Andrew Luck: Top 5 QB right now

Cam Newton: above average QB, not elite

Sam Bradford: Bust

JaMarcus Russell: Bust

Alex Smith: Bust

Eli Manning: Bust

Carson Palmer: Had a good few years, slightly above average QB

David Carr: Bust

Michael Vick: Yo-Yo career, slightly above average QB

Tim Couch: Bust

Take sure bets with the top picks. Defensive line, Offensive Line, Pass Rushers. A good offensive line makes a mediocre QB look good. Bad OL makes great QB's look really bad.

From what I hear TB needed help on the DL. The best D-Line guy was the guy from USC. From what I see it's either him or Winston ranked #1 or #2 as the best players in the draft. Heck NFL.com has Williams #1 overall and Winston as #5 overall. I bet Williams has a better career than Winston.

It could be a very short career with torn Labrum.

http://www.foxsports.com/west/story/usc-s-leonard-williams-says-he-ll-be-healthy-for-fall-camp-042514

A Labrum is a very serious injury for linemen that muscle is holding the shoulder in place and everytime a tear happens it just deteriorates the tissue around it causing the whole shoulder socket to move around freely. It's one hell of a lot of shock on that shoulder when these 300+ pound linemen crash into one another and try to push the other off.