Playing Golf with Someone Carrying a Weapon

[nevets88]

I definitely will draw the line at someone who's carrying a gun, smoking pot, wearing a black glove and uses iron covers.

[RussUK]

I suppose it all depends on where you are playing. Uk shouldnt be a problem due to gun laws, USA, guns will probably be concealed and stay there, whereas if you are playing Norh Korea's only course your opponent will likely have an AK-47 in the bag!

[Mr. Desmond]

I have no issues with it, although if he hits his drive into the woods on every hole, and drives deep into the woods to find it, I'd ask him to leave me off at my ball, or get that phone call where I've got to leave ...

:-)

[David in FL]

I have no issues with it, although if he hits his drive into the woods on every hole, and drives deep into the woods to find it, I'd ask him to leave me off at my ball, or get that phone call where I've got to leave ... :-)

Especially if he also has a banjo in that bag! :-D

[Mr. Desmond]

Especially if he also has a banjo in that bag!

And if he spoke fondly about his pet pig, my eyes would grow large.

And yes, after going to a large university in Central Texas, I suspect genetic experiments took place during the mis-spent youth of a few rural students.

[Ernest Jones]

I didnt see where he said he didn't believe in others right to carry, just that he has the background to form an opinion on them based on when are where they choose to carry. Personally, I couldn't do it ... I don't even like swinging with my phone or even an extra ball in my pocket. No wallet either. No way in hell I'd be comfortable with a 5 lb (how much do guns weigh anyway?? I have no idea) hunk of metal strapped to my side. I barely tolerate the game golf and that damn thing is 4cm square and like 6 oz.

Barney the Naked Golfer. B-) [quote name="Volkey" url="/t/81903/playing-golf-with-someone-carrying-a-weapon/0_100#post_1140633"]No problem at all with it.  Unless he points it at me.  Then I'll pull out my gun and shoot him.  [/quote] Lol, phunny!!

[Pretzel]

I said it depends on the first impression for this reason: - If they're someone who knows what they're doing with concealed carry and would be the type to not just pull it out at every opportunity, you'll never know they have it. - If they're more inclined to pull it out without justifiable cause, they'll make sure you know they have it. If it's the former I have no problem with it. If it's the latter I'd let him move a couple tee times ahead of me.

[boogielicious]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave2512

Do I really need to point the tranquility of the course out to you?

A. Bad things happen in "tranquil" places all the time. That's how this thread actually came to be.

B. You have the absolute right to decide if, when, and where you legally carry. To "roll your eyes" and refer to someone as a "scaredy cat" because they choose to do so somewhere where you choose not to, is arrogant hypocrisy at its worst.

I agree that they have the right.  But I also have the right to request not to play with them without judgement. I know nothing about them, their personality and their ability to be able to use the weapon.  They may be a highly trained individual or someone that will panic and shoot me by accident or in a rage if the round doesn't go well for him.  Without knowing this information, I would rather not play with them.

[David in FL]

I agree that they have the right.  But I also have the right to request not to play with them without judgement. I know nothing about them, their personality and their ability to be able to use the weapon.  They may be a highly trained individual or someone that will panic and shoot me by accident or in a rage if the round doesn't go well for him.  Without knowing this information, I would rather not play with them.

Absolutely. You have the right to not play with anyone, for any reason. Nor do I question or criticize your decision to do so. Dave's hypocrisy lies in his desire to decide where he will or won't carry, but deriding someone else's decision when it disagrees with his own.

[Pretzel]

I definitely will draw the line at someone who's carrying a gun, smoking pot, wearing a black glove and uses iron covers.  :-)

The iron covers are really a dead giveaway that something's a little loose in the head, good call there.

[Golfingdad]

A. Bad things happen in "tranquil" places all the time. That's how this thread actually came to be.

This is where you lose me.  You're referring to the other thread where a guy pulled a gun on the group behind him, I presume?  How is that considered a "bad" thing?  By that, what I really mean is, how could that situation have turned out BETTER if the trail group also had a guy carrying a gun?  The result of crazy guy pulling gun on unarmed men was ... crazy guy loses gun and gun permit.

Can anybody paint a scenario that starts with "crazy guy pulls gun on 'seemingly' unarmed man behind him, then that guy pulls his gun too" and finish it with a better ending than the story from which "this thread actually came to be?"

I'd also like to point out the irony inherent in your statement, seeing as how it implies we should be free to carry on the golf course to protect us from bad guys .... who are also legally carrying on the golf course.

B. You have the absolute right to decide if, when, and where you legally carry.

Now, all of the above said, I agree with this statement, assuming it's followed by an "if you are an intellegent and careful CCW holder."

To "roll your eyes" and refer to someone as a "scaredy cat" because they choose to do so somewhere where you choose not to, is arrogant hypocrisy at its worst.

I disagree.

Dave's hypocrisy lies in his desire to decide where he will or won't carry, but deriding someone else's decision when it disagrees with his own.

It's not hypocritical at all.  He doesn't carry on the golf course.  He doesn't think it's remotely necessary, and thinks that people who do are being 'scaredy-cats.'  It's very consistent.

Hypocritical would be calling others scaredy-cats and saying they shouldn't carry on the course .... whilst actually carrying on the course.

[iacas]

Can anybody paint a scenario that starts with "crazy guy pulls gun on 'seemingly' unarmed man behind him, then that guy pulls his gun too" and finish it with a better ending than the story from which "this thread actually came to be?"

Drew, you seem to be assuming "crazy guy" was never going to do anything but threaten. There are many, many stories of armed citizens saving lives by having a gun on them. It's not only possible to concoct a scenario where having a gun results in a "better ending," we see it fairly often in real life.

Now again, in this scenario, we have the benefit of the original crazy guy seemingly not willing to actually commit a felony or injure, kill, rape, rob, etc. so it would be tough to come up with a "better" ending than this.

But that's just one scenario.

I've said before and I'll say again, a few things about guns:

• I own two. One's a .22 for shooting targets. One's a 9mm mostly for "readiness."
• What do I mean? I mean when I was visiting boat docks to launch my kayak at 4:30am or whatever in Florida, I'd have it in my car or in my kayak (the occasional shark or alligator may have been a secondary reason). I have it near my bed as well. I practice shooting regularly to stay in form. I take the responsibility seriously.
• The vast, vast majority of gun crime is minority-on-minority and a result of economic stuff. Remove that and the U.S. is right on par with many other countries.
• Gun ownership alone is not responsible for gun violence. I believe Canada has a higher per-capita gun ownership rate than the U.S. They also don't have the same economic situations.
• The amount of lives saved by gun owners are traditionally under-reported (partly because it's tough to quantify… it's not like the criminal is going to report that he was carjacking a guy who scared him off by shooting at him, and the citizen has little upside in reporting that he shot at a carjacker).

Now, I cared a LOT more about this stuff 10+ years ago so I'm fully open to some of my information being a bit old, but things like this tend to shift slowly, so I doubt it's too far out of date.

[scorpion12]

I voted it doesn't bother me. I'm rather pleased to see someone else taking up for their own safety and not relying on another person to take care of it for them... besides, some of the golf courses we play aren't exactly centered in town and police response could take a while.

Having said what I voted, I'm all for people exercising their rights. Freedom of speech. While I may not like what comes out of their mouth, I realize they're allowed to open it and voice their opinion... same thing as their freedom of religion, and the right to bear arms. If a person feels a need to conceal a revolver in their golf bag and I notice it for whatever reason, I don't care. I'm not going to worry over it. If I deem the person mentally unbalanced or is not a pleasure to golf with, I'll take my leave. It won't be because there's a gun in his bag.

[Huddo]

Voted a resounding no. So glad I live in the UK where guns are not commonplace as an insurance policy!

[inthehole]

I think a lot of guys are missing one key point.   The most likely need for a CCW when on a remote golf course is for protection against animals.    I've seen a coyote in the open, mid day just hanging around a tee box, showing no fear of humans ... this is highly suspect behavior, perhaps indicating rabies ??      The first thing I thought of was I wished I had my CCW - it would have been far better to be prepared than trying to extract myself from a big furry buzzsaw with a 9 iron ... fortunately, I was able to skip that hole without incident.

[Dave2512]

It's not hypocritical at all.  He doesn't carry on the golf course.  He doesn't think it's remotely necessary, and thinks that people who do are being 'scaredy-cats.'  It's very consistent.

Hypocritical would be calling others scaredy-cats and saying they shouldn't carry on the course .... whilst actually carrying on the course.

Exactly. For most golf is a leisure activity and for the better part of 4-5 hours you are on 125 acres and encounter few people. Chances are those closest to you are someone you know and the other potentially 8 others ahead and behind spend most of the day hundreds of yards away from you.

[dsc123]

I probably wouldn't be comfortable with it.  Mostly because I would he/she is probably a crazy person if he packs a gun in his golf bag.  Guns and crazy people are not a good mix.

Also, if he's wearing it on his person I would be concerned.  It seems to me that a good rule of thumb would be to not carry a firearm on your person while engaged in athletic activity.  It would just seem unsafe and I wouldn't want to be around unsafe gun people.  Also, the likleihood of the guy being a crazy person would be through the roof if he's doing that.

[dsc123]

I think a lot of guys are missing one key point.   The most likely need for a CCW when on a remote golf course is for protection against animals.    I've seen a coyote in the open, mid day just hanging around a tee box, showing no fear of humans ... this is highly suspect behavior, perhaps indicating rabies ??      The first thing I thought of was I wished I had my CCW - it would have been far better to be prepared than trying to extract myself from a big furry buzzsaw with a 9 iron ... fortunately, I was able to skip that hole without incident.

No, that was written out of the question.

Note: You know the player is not a Law Enforcement Officer or Military.  You are also not in an area with dangerous wildlife. Example: Areas of Australia that have deadly snakes.  Areas of Alaska with aggressive bear populations.  Also, it is not a high crime area or area dangerous military conflict area.  Example:  You are not playing near Bagram AFB in Afghanistan or in Mosul Iraq.