Euros Complain U.S. Fans Too Boozed Up

[jamo]

But that's the problem, they're not . If they were trying, they'd be tossing the knucklehead out each and every time someone acted out. They don't. Even a child figures out quickly that the threat of a consequence, without any real chance that it'll be followed through upon is no consequence at all.

But you ignored my next sentence. How you do find the knuckleheads in a moving sea of golf fans? It's not like in a baseball broadcast where they can find a fan who threw the home run back on the field or interfered with a player trying to make a catch through replay. They'd have to see the person yelling (which they can't do just by watching the broadcast), track them down through a hoard of fans, and physically escort them off the course. That would require actual security personnel, not just random volunteers, at every single tee box tasked solely with throwing out knuckleheads. Then, of course, you risk false positives if you're trying to track down people who fit a clothing or voice description. I don't know much about how security works at golf events (do they require and track IDs of fans at either the time of purchase or at entrance?), but if you wanted to then prevent them from being admitted to future events, you'd have to put their ID on some sort of no-entrance list, which would require huge amounts of data and coordination. "Try harder," to me, is not an actual solution. This thread is light on actual solutions.

[krupa]

Baseball stadiums publicize a number that you can send text messages to to anonymously report belligerent fans.

The PGA needs an app like that.  Combined with a phone's GPS, a fan could quietly call security to their area.  Plain-clothes security people can get close and identify the "problem child" and escort them out and no one knows who (if anyone) reported the problem.

[Jeremie Boop]

In general, it makes me rather sad to know that we actually have to worry about finding ways to make people behave and/or ways to track down offenders. I know it's a naive thought, but it would be nice if people could just act like adults and be respectful.

[Natural Patrick]

All I know is when I hear someone yell " mashed potatoes " It makes me want to do very Violent things to the person that yelled it.

[Rick Martin]

All I know is when I hear someone yell " mashed potatoes " It makes me want to do very Violent things to the person that yelled it.

I stood next to two yahoos who yelled "light the candle" after Adam Scott's fairways shot (8th hole)....I had no idea who they were and they looked like two legitimate fans wanted to see Scott hit .....they found their position and waited from him to come down to his ball......scared the shit out of me when they yelled it ----all preplanned I'm sure. They didn't appear drunk - I just shook my head - wasn't worth the effort for me to confront them afterwards and ask "was the hell what that for"......it really is up to marshals to police that stuff -

[joekelly]

I see caddies and players standing around like frozen statues while one player stares at the ball, ready to putt. Once the ball is away, who cares?  Once the ball on the tee is away, who cares what we hear from the peanut gallery?  I observe something similar on various web sites.  Some guy finds a site, makes a post which draws 8 responses and the OP thinks the world is finally listening to HIM.  This is his elevated moment of glory amongst the faceless masses.

No doubt a few years back the pros were saying 'get that TV camera away from me, it's my turn to play'. Now the TV shows us close ups of the newest winner picking his nose after the playoff, and the payoff of $1million plus and not one pro squeals about the intrusive camera. I don't think the loud mouth folks in the gallery will go away unless the player himself points him/her out and complains.  Basically,    no harm no foul.

Traditions last but a short time in the internet world, regardless of their length prior.

[phan52]

But you ignored my next sentence. How you do find the knuckleheads in a moving sea of golf fans? It's not like in a baseball broadcast where they can find a fan who threw the home run back on the field or interfered with a player trying to make a catch through replay.

They'd have to see the person yelling (which they can't do just by watching the broadcast), track them down through a hoard of fans, and physically escort them off the course. That would require actual security personnel, not just random volunteers, at every single tee box tasked solely with throwing out knuckleheads. Then, of course, you risk false positives if you're trying to track down people who fit a clothing or voice description.

I don't know much about how security works at golf events (do they require and track IDs of fans at either the time of purchase or at entrance?), but if you wanted to then prevent them from being admitted to future events, you'd have to put their ID on some sort of no-entrance list, which would require huge amounts of data and coordination.

"Try harder," to me, is not an actual solution. This thread is light on actual solutions.

I've marshaled a number of events and they have always asked us to pay attention to the fans and their behavior. But they didn't want us to interfere because it was not our job description. They wanted us to notify security, keep track of the offenders and point them out.

[jamo]

I've marshaled a number of events and they have always asked us to pay attention to the fans and their behavior. But they didn't want us to interfere because it was not our job description. They wanted us to notify security, keep track of the offenders and point them out.

Right, which is why I said the following in the sentence before the one your bolded: [quote name="jamo" url="/t/82204/euros-complain-u-s-fans-too-boozed-up/0_30#post_1146440"] They'd have to see the person yelling (which they can't do just by watching the broadcast), track them down through a hoard of fans, and physically escort them off the course. That would require actual security personnel, not just random volunteers, at every single tee box tasked solely with throwing out knuckleheads. Then, of course, you risk false positives if you're trying to track down people who fit a clothing or voice description.[/quote] You wouldn't expect nor want volunteer marshals to deal with unruly fans. I don't think that should change.

[David in FL]

But you ignored my next sentence. How you do find the knuckleheads in a moving sea of golf fans? It's not like in a baseball broadcast where they can find a fan who threw the home run back on the field or interfered with a player trying to make a catch through replay. They'd have to see the person yelling (which they can't do just by watching the broadcast), track them down through a hoard of fans, and physically escort them off the course. That would require actual security personnel, not just random volunteers, at every single tee box tasked solely with throwing out knuckleheads. Then, of course, you risk false positives if you're trying to track down people who fit a clothing or voice description. I don't know much about how security works at golf events (do they require and track IDs of fans at either the time of purchase or at entrance?), but if you wanted to then prevent them from being admitted to future events, you'd have to put their ID on some sort of no-entrance list, which would require huge amounts of data and coordination. "Try harder," to me, is not an actual solution. This thread is light on actual solutions.

My solution is not to "try harder". It's to throw out every single one you do catch. Will you catch them all? Of course not. But word will get around. Doing nothing because "it's hard", or worse, unpopular, just encourages bad behavior. Of course, it's well known that I'm a big proponent of holding people accountable for their actions, as well as accepting personal accountability for one's own actions. I also prefer addressing the behavior directly, to so called solutions that infringe on all, in an attempt to modify the behavior of the few. The 3 drink ticket max as a perfect example. [quote name="krupa" url="/t/82204/euros-complain-u-s-fans-too-boozed-up/18#post_1146454"]Baseball stadiums publicize a number that you can send text messages to to anonymously report belligerent fans. The PGA needs an app like that.  Combined with a phone's GPS, a fan could quietly call security to their area.  Plain-clothes security people can get close and identify the "problem child" and escort them out and no one knows who (if anyone) reported the problem. [/quote] Great idea!

[boogielicious]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamo

But you ignored my next sentence. How you do find the knuckleheads in a moving sea of golf fans? It's not like in a baseball broadcast where they can find a fan who threw the home run back on the field or interfered with a player trying to make a catch through replay.

They'd have to see the person yelling (which they can't do just by watching the broadcast), track them down through a hoard of fans, and physically escort them off the course. That would require actual security personnel, not just random volunteers, at every single tee box tasked solely with throwing out knuckleheads. Then, of course, you risk false positives if you're trying to track down people who fit a clothing or voice description.

I don't know much about how security works at golf events (do they require and track IDs of fans at either the time of purchase or at entrance?), but if you wanted to then prevent them from being admitted to future events, you'd have to put their ID on some sort of no-entrance list, which would require huge amounts of data and coordination.

"Try harder," to me, is not an actual solution. This thread is light on actual solutions.

My solution is not to "try harder". It's to throw out every single one you do catch. Will you catch them all? Of course not. But word will get around. Doing nothing because "it's hard", or worse, unpopular, just encourages bad behavior.

Of course, it's well known that I'm a big proponent of holding people accountable for their actions, as well as accepting personal accountability for one's own actions. I also prefer addressing the behavior directly, to so called solutions that infringe on all, in an attempt to modify the behavior of the few. The 3 drink ticket max as a perfect example.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krupa

Baseball stadiums publicize a number that you can send text messages to to anonymously report belligerent fans.

The PGA needs an app like that.  Combined with a phone's GPS, a fan could quietly call security to their area.  Plain-clothes security people can get close and identify the "problem child" and escort them out and no one knows who (if anyone) reported the problem.

Great idea!

Agree they should be tossed.  But volunteers can't do it.  It would have to be paid security or law enforcement.  Most of the volunteers are just locals that want to help out.

[David in FL]

Agree they should be tossed.  But volunteers can't do it.  It would have to be paid security or law enforcement.  Most of the volunteers are just locals that want to help out.

Absolutely agree.

[saevel25]

I do like the app idea. I think in most cases warnings would be given, and multiple offenders would be tossed. It would be a great way to throw out the totally plastered -hats that have no self control.

To me golf is a family event as well. I love to see kids and teenagers enjoy watching golf. It spreads the game. This sort of actions by some spectators does nothing for the game of golf.

[Gunther]

It's a conundrum. There is no rule today barring those ridiculous outbursts, provided it's after the ball is struck. I don't like the imposition of more rules. I enjoy 16 at the Waste Management immensely and actually hate that the PGA outlawed caddy races and throwing merchandise into the crowd. OTOH, I was very disappointed in the crowd behavior at the Players. I'm not sure how to stop it because outlawing the yelling seems a bit Draconian. I think it's something we need to live with and through a marketing campaign and shunning, emphasize decorum amongst golf patronage.

[dkolo]

People yelling dumb stuff like "mashed potatoes" is to me on par with the crowd doing the wave at a ballpark. Sure, it's really stupid and it drives me nuts, and, sure, the players don't like it, but I'm against actually banning it. People are having fun. If they're yelling obscene stuff, I'm on board with having those people asked to leave. But policing behavior less serious than that is a cure that's worse than the disease.

[Quadhole]

Difference in attendance is probably 10 to 1. Europeans all make good money and vent their fun elsewhere during their 4 - 8 week vacations, or their 3 day weekends. We have a short time to have a good time and are more likely in a 10 to 1 crowd to vent. Sorry !

Our 1%ers have turned the 99% into:

TV : Family guy - Simpson - Duck Dynasty

Movies : Superheros, or something that is so far out it could only happen in the year 3500 - but predict it as happening in 2060

Transportation - Must be new (quality, value and style are meaningless) unless your a guy in the south, then it is a pickup truck. And for sure (you can't really afford it) drive nice, live in a slum.

Residency : Rent, and rent something outside your budget, if you know what a budget is...Rich bought up all the low income or moderate income housing in the past 5 years.

Vacations : Not anymore, as most are working them to pay bills, or cashing in the time when needed for sickness. That is why our country is going no union, and PTO time. Soon, you wont have 10 days of vacation and 6 sick days. You will be lucky to get 10 PTO days.

Of course this does not resonate with any one on this site. Or your close families, but your cousins, maybe wives family, etc... Most of the people I know operate at this level, most of my family members too. None have been able to work out of it by educating more than a 4 year degree. I just don't get why they have to be so predictably obtuse.. They think it is normal to live on the brink of financial ruin and part of the american way. Lose your job, lose it all, not your fault, it is the system...

[saevel25]

Difference in attendance is probably 10 to 1. Europeans all make good money and vent their fun elsewhere during their 4 - 8 week vacations, or their 3 day weekends. We have a short time to have a good time and are more likely in a 10 to 1 crowd to vent. Sorry !

All of that was completely,

If you want to rant about inequality then start a new thread.

[Quadhole]

All of that was completely,

If you want to rant about inequality then start a new thread.

I am not ranting about inequality, I am giving the reason people blast out on a short weekend. Because they have been turned into turds. Whatever...

[Quadhole]

98% THINK IT IS OK TO ACT LIKE A JERK... Non here of course. Just stating that is the type that do it.