FBI on Clinton

[mcanadiens]

Did I just hear the FBI director say that if it were anyone other than Clinton they'd probably get charged?

Weirdest press conference ever.

[newtogolf]

7 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Did I just hear the FBI director say that if it were anyone other than Clinton they'd probably get charged?

Weirdest press conference ever.

What he said was he doesn't think Clinton acted with criminal intent but...

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To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

 

[mcanadiens]

1 minute ago, newtogolf said:

What he said was he doesn't think Clinton acted with criminal intent but...

 

I guess that reads a bit better than what I thought I heard.

 

[saevel25]

5 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Did I just hear the FBI director say that if it were anyone other than Clinton they'd probably get charged?

Weirdest press conference ever.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-email-comey.html

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The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, on Tuesday said the F.B.I. is recommending no charges against Hillary Clinton for her use of a personal email server while secretary of state.

and
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/05/james-comey-fbi-hillary-clinton/86702072/

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"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling of removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts," Comey said.....

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information," he said.

 

[newtogolf]

Bottom line is if she wasn't Hillary Clinton and running for POTUS she'd likely face some penalties.  

[saevel25]

Just now, newtogolf said:

Bottom line is if she wasn't Hillary Clinton and running for POTUS she'd likely face some penalties.  

Prove it. 

In the end it doesn't matter much towards her running for POTUS. Qualification for POTUS doesn't include security clearance. 

The only thing that mattered would have been criminal charges. If they wanted to they could take away her security clearance. Again, that doesn't matter when your POTUS. 

[GolfLug]

Can't think of a better analogy than reckless driving. The intent is not to run somebody over but certainly not overly worried about it either. I can't see how NO penalties should be incurred. I don't know what fair penalty would be but IMHO leveraging this screw up against her as an anti-POTUS weapon bit overkill too.

In the least I would think if nothing happens (that would not be right) AND she goes on to be the POTUS (that would be okay-ish compared to the option I guess), this whole episode will serve as a major deterrent in her acting entitled or high handed in the future. Well, one can hope.    

[newtogolf]

32 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Prove it. 

In the end it doesn't matter much towards her running for POTUS. Qualification for POTUS doesn't include security clearance. 

The only thing that mattered would have been criminal charges. If they wanted to they could take away her security clearance. Again, that doesn't matter when your POTUS. 

Read what he the FBI Director stated.

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To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

POTUS is required to have security clearances, they are just not formalized given the position of POTUS requires vetting that would make a formal security clearance process redundant.  

[saevel25]

3 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

POTUS is required to have security clearances.  

I seem to struggle in finding the part were they are required to have security clearance? 

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No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

-The Constitution of the United States

I take your quotes statement above as the FBI is making their decision on if criminal charges should be brought against Clinton. They could be in wait and see mode if they want to levy down administrative or security sanctions. When he says, "But that is not what we are deciding now". Means to me they are sitting back and waiting to see how the DOJ handles it going forward. 

[Braivo]

One week ago: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/

Former President Bill Clinton "crosses paths" with Attorney General Loretta Lynch on tarmac. 

Today: Hillary's State Department is accused of being "extremely careless" yet she won't face charges

Interesting. 

Let there be little doubt that there are two sets of laws, those for "them" and those for the rest of us. We are playing a rigged game here. 

[Elmer]

" Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

" In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts."

" As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case. "

So now do all the "Hillary's going to jail" people scream that the FBI is apart of a big "clinton for President" conspiracy?

[newtogolf]

24 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I seem to struggle in finding the part were they are required to have security clearance? 

I take your quotes statement above as the FBI is making their decision on if criminal charges should be brought against Clinton. They could be in wait and see mode if they want to levy down administrative or security sanctions. When he says, "But that is not what we are deciding now". Means to me they are sitting back and waiting to see how the DOJ handles it going forward. 

The POTUS is supposed to be vetted before taking the position so there isn't an official security clearance issued but the POTUS is cleared at the highest levels in order to make the decisions the job requires.  

I believe the Director is saying that others would have been sanctioned but they are not taking additional actions against Clinton, I think this is the end of the e-mail server litigation as DOJ stated they would follow the lead of the FBI after Lynch had the secret meeting with Bill Clinton on her plane.

8 minutes ago, Elmer said:

" Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

" In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts."

" As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case. "

So now do all the "Hillary's going to jail" people scream that the FBI is apart of a big "clinton for President" conspiracy?

There are numerous instants where intent is not the only factor evaluated in determining if criminal charges are  applicable.  Willful negligence is very close to intent and that is what the FBI should be prosecuting Clinton on.  

[Elmer]

24 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

The POTUS is supposed to be vetted before taking the position so there isn't an official security clearance issued but the POTUS is cleared at the highest levels in order to make the decisions the job requires.  

I believe the Director is saying that others would have been sanctioned but they are not taking additional actions against Clinton, I think this is the end of the e-mail server litigation as DOJ stated they would follow the lead of the FBI after Lynch had the secret meeting with Bill Clinton on her plane.

There are numerous instants where intent is not the only factor evaluated in determining if criminal charges are  applicable.  Willful negligence is very close to intent and that is what the FBI should be prosecuting Clinton on.  

The FBI does not prosecute, they conduct fact finding and make a recommendation to the justice dept.
The Justice Dept tends to prosecute cases they can know they will get a conviction.

Chances are the Justice Dept and FBI know that getting a felony conviction on "willfull negligence" is a long tedious court battle for very little pay off.

I think they have better cases to take to trial.

But YMMV!

[newtogolf]

11 minutes ago, Elmer said:

The FBI does not prosecute, they conduct fact finding and make a recommendation to the justice dept.
The Justice Dept tends to prosecute cases they can know they will get a conviction.

Chances are the Justice Dept and FBI know that getting a felony conviction on "willfull negligence" is a long tedious court battle for very little pay off.

I think they have better cases to take to trial.

But YMMV!

Shouldn't be a long tedious battle, she admitted to knowing what the proper procedure was for handling her SOS e-mail and willfully decided to manage it using a private e-mail server, that's what willful negligence is.  

While I know you're celebrating the victory, I doubt you'd be as elated if this were a republican or Trump or was guilty of the same offenses and was just given a get out of jail free card by a republican POTUS and DOJ.  

HRC being given this pass doesn't mean she's not guilty, it just means DOJ and the FBI don't want to pursue it.  If you're okay with someone who doesn't take national security seriously becoming POTUS then Clinton is your girl.  

[RandallT]

Faith in government will take another hit, unfortunately.

A reasoned look at this shows that there is a law against gross negligence with classified material, and there is a separate law against deliberate mishandling of classified material (espionage, etc). When you violate the law against gross negligence, there may not be ever intent to violate laws. That's the whole point of the law- to be a deterrent against stupidity. If you access classified material, you take it seriously. I know I did when I had access. It's respectful of the country you serve. 

Ok, great, so we are about to elect someone who did not intend to be so negligent. Wonderful. Clinton was clearly careless (as Comey said). I'd confidently add that she (and her staff in particular, but she chose her staff and they reflect on her) showed disdain for the rules. This was not some minor oversight, as this email configuration took serious effort to set up, and serious ignorance to think it was ok (or safe from hackers in the way they did it). The docks my faith in government yet another notch.

[Chilli Dipper]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

" Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

" In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts."

" As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case. "

So now do all the "Hillary's going to jail" people scream that the FBI is apart of a big "clinton for President" conspiracy?

There are enthusiastic supporters of Donald Trump who still believe he's a Clinton plant, so the conspiracy is already all-encompassing and self-fulfilling.

[Elmer]

6 minutes ago, Chilli Dipper said:

There are enthusiastic supporters of Donald Trump who still believe he's a Clinton plant, so the conspiracy is already all-encompassing and self-fulfilling.

There are also Trump supporters who feel Hillary should be in jail for "gross negligence", but have no issue with Trumps "deliberate fraud" with Trump U.

And is Trump is a Hillary plant, he deserves an EGOT, because he will be the best actor in the world!!!
 

[Chilli Dipper]

7 minutes ago, Elmer said:

And is Trump is a Hillary plant, he deserves an EGOT, because he will be the best actor in the world!!!
 

Take that, Lin-Manuel Miranda!