Trump Stiffs Hole in 1 Winner

[DaveP043]

7 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

I finally caught up to that in his last post. I thought he was saying that DT was obligated to pay based on his wealth, but now I see that I was wrong. 

When the question comes down to image, I think Mr. Trump would be inclined to actively work toward a happy resolution, if this were to happen today.  Six years ago, however, I think he preferred to maintain his image as a tough businessman, and worked to make his payment as small as he could get away with.  That shouldn't be an indictment of him, that's what pretty much every business in the country would try to do, whether they were legitimately at fault or not..

[CarlSpackler]

7 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

When the question comes down to image, I think Mr. Trump would be inclined to actively work toward a happy resolution, if this were to happen today.  Six years ago, however, I think he preferred to maintain his image as a tough businessman, and worked to make his payment as small as he could get away with.  That shouldn't be an indictment of him, that's what pretty much every business in the country would try to do, whether they were legitimately at fault or not..

Maybe yes. Maybe no. The oddest things see to boost his support when conventional thinking would indicate the opposite. A lot of people are scratching their heads. Regardless, this incident got me wondering about the liability involved in offering a hole-in-one prize. To put a different twist on this, what if you organized a HIO contest and the insurance company closed it's doors the day before the tournament and you didn't know. Would you be on the hook to pay up?

[Golfingdad]

25 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

I disagree. It sets a precedent

No it doesn't.

[TourSpoon]

I don't think he would do it any different. There is a suit going on right now in which members at Trump National Jupiter are suing saying they were denied access but still billed when they wanted out of their memberships after the Ritz Carlton sold out. Honestly, these stories are not really big stories and people are exercising legal remedies. 

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-trump-golf-course-trial-20160815-story.html

[Valleygolfer]

4 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

No it doesn't.

You don't think people going to see an opportunity when a wealthy business man pays out to something he was not directly involved in, just shut people up and go forward?

[RussUK]

I dont like the man, i find him a touch slimey if you know what i mean so i could see him intentionally asking the event staff to "accidentally" set the tee too short.

However, the changes he has made to Turnbery are very good. other than that he's a bit on a nob!

[CarlSpackler]

1 minute ago, RussUK said:

I dont like the man, i find him a touch slimey if you know what i mean so i could see him intentionally asking the event staff to "accidentally" set the tee too short.

However, the changes he has made to Turnbery are very good. other than that he's a bit on a nob!

Despite your feelings about him, do you think he should pay up. If you were the tournament organizer, would you willingly pay up if the insurance company declined?

You have to explain "a bit on a nob". Is that one of those English sayings? 

[Valleygolfer]

4 minutes ago, RussUK said:

I dont like the man, i find him a touch slimey if you know what i mean so i could see him intentionally asking the event staff to "accidentally" set the tee too short.

However, the changes he has made to Turnbery are very good. other than that he's a bit on a nob!

Knob or not, why would you buy the insurance already, then set it up for failure when it is out of your hands. Makes no sense.

[RussUK]

Just now, CarlSpackler said:

Despite your feelings about him, do you think he should pay up. If you were the tournament organizer, would you willingly pay up if the insurance company declined?

You have to explain "a bit on a nob". Is that one of those English sayings? 

Yes, a bit of a nob means he's an idiot 

He should pay up. If you bought something and the label said it was $29.99 and at the till they said it was $40 you would argue that the advertised price would stand and generally speaking thats what would happen, the staff made  mistake and would honour the marked price.

The event staf made a mistake so Trump should honour the Hole in one. It wasnt the players fault after all.

[CarlSpackler]

1 minute ago, RussUK said:

Yes, a bit of a nob means he's an idiot 

He should pay up. If you bought something and the label said it was $29.99 and at the till they said it was $40 you would argue that the advertised price would stand and generally speaking thats what would happen, the staff made  mistake and would honour the marked price.

The event staf made a mistake so Trump should honour the Hole in one. It wasnt the players fault after all.

I figured it meant something along those lines. 

So would you pay up if it were you?

[RussUK]

Just now, CarlSpackler said:

I figured it meant something along those lines. 

So would you pay up if it were you?

Of course. Im an English Gentleman! 

Wouldnt be sporting not to

[CarlSpackler]

Just now, RussUK said:

Of course. Im an English Gentleman! 

Wouldnt be sporting not to

Good man! 

I think with me it would be a non issue. If that much money was on the line, I would personally make sure that the distance would be covered under the insurance policy. 

[Golfingdad]

18 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

You don't think people going to see an opportunity when a wealthy business man pays out to something he was not directly involved in, just shut people up and go forward?

We're not talking about a "shut people up and go forward", sweep something ugly under the rug to make it go away, type situation here ... we're talking about an opportunistic, happy,goodwill, photo-op, "look at these nice things I do", type situation.  Totally different.  

[Elmer]

27 minutes ago, TourSpoon said:

I don't think he would do it any different. There is a suit going on right now in which members at Trump National Jupiter are suing saying they were denied access but still billed when they wanted out of their memberships after the Ritz Carlton sold out. Honestly, these stories are not really big stories and people are exercising legal remedies. 

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-trump-golf-course-trial-20160815-story.html

A little off topic,
But for someone who is not a member any where, that was an interesting article about a fascinating lawsuit!

[DaveP043]

2 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

Despite your feelings about him, do you think he should pay up. If you were the tournament organizer, would you willingly pay up if the insurance company declined?

Again, the insurance company declined because the terms of the insurance agreement were not met.  The fault for that has to rest on the two other parties involved, either the golf club or the charity or both.  And as I said before, every business in the country would seek to minimize its payment, whether it is at fault or not.

As an aside, I deal with construction contracts in my work, although I'm no lawyer.  In almost every contract, the "big company" general contractor requires us, the "little company" subcontractor, to cover their attorney fees and damages if we share negligence in regards to a claim.  If their negligence contributed 90%, and mine contributed 10%, I still pay the entire bill.  The practice of pushing the results of someone's negligence onto someone else is as American as the American Bar Association.

[CarlSpackler]

2 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Again, the insurance company declined because the terms of the insurance agreement were not met.  The fault for that has to rest on the two other parties involved, either the golf club or the charity or both.  And as I said before, every business in the country would seek to minimize its payment, whether it is at fault or not.

As an aside, I deal with construction contracts in my work, although I'm no lawyer.  In almost every contract, the "big company" general contractor requires us, the "little company" subcontractor, to cover their attorney fees and damages if we share negligence in regards to a claim.  If their negligence contributed 90%, and mine contributed 10%, I still pay the entire bill.  The practice of pushing the results of someone's negligence onto someone else is as American as the American Bar Association.

It always gets messy when there are multi-party agreements. In that case, you are agreeing to that when you sign the contract. In this case, the participant had no agreement with the insurance company, and it isn't clear whether the tournament organizer had control or influence over the course setup. It's a mess.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, RussUK said:

I dont like the man, i find him a touch slimey if you know what i mean so i could see him intentionally asking the event staff to "accidentally" set the tee too short.

However, the changes he has made to Turnbery are very good. other than that he's a bit on a nob!

Uhhhhh…

1 hour ago, Valleygolfer said:

Knob or not, why would you buy the insurance already, then set it up for failure when it is out of your hands. Makes no sense.

Right. If you pay the insurance money it makes no sense to break one of their rules intentionally.

[RussUK]

50 minutes ago, iacas said:

Uhhhhh…

Right. If you pay the insurance money it makes no sense to break one of their rules intentionally.

of course it makes no sense to the likes of you and I but we're not billionaires. There is the opinion that those who have lots of money loathe to part with any of it. Plus "if" it was intentional there would be no way to prove it. Never said he did it, just that he could