Thoughts on Tony Romo’s debut in MX ...

[NM Golf]

10 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

77 in a PGA Tour event is crap.

Not sure I would file Tony Romo under hack, PGA Tour ready maybe not, but hack is a bit harsh. Plus if he is a hack what does that make you? 

[3jacker]

It is crap given the venue.  He is a relative hack, skill-wise, to his so-called peer group.

I'm  a hack compared to Rory,  yes.  I have no issue with that.

[jbishop15]

13 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

It is crap given the venue.  He is a relative hack, skill-wise, to his so-called peer group.

I'm  a hack compared to Rory,  yes.  I have no issue with that.

I don't think he's a hack compared to the Tour pros. He's not as good, of course, but he's not Jerry Rice, who clearly showed he didn't belong on the Web.com event.

[Valleygolfer]

32 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

77 in a PGA Tour event is crap.

Hacks playing on Tour drive me away. I can't stand to watch the AT&T because I don't want to watch a bunch of hacks with vanity handicaps (whether it's a 5 or a +0.2) duff it around. I can't watch it.

But I understand a lot of folks love it, and for every guy like me that won't tune in, there's probably thousands who do.  If it's good for golf, I'm for it.  I'll just go do something productive until the guys who are really good are on.

 

Giants fan are you? I definitely say he is not pga pro caliber but it is a decent showing for a first time tournament. I don't know why people get so vicious about these things. Romo is a solid player and has the opportunity, whether it is money/status to find out where his game is when it put to the test against very good players. Nothing wrong with that. Romo isn't just in a tournament, he is being watched by the whole sporting community which adds to the pressure of his performance. He probably can handle it though.

Edited March 23, 2018 by Valleygolfer

[NM Golf]

19 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

It is crap given the venue.  He is a relative hack, skill-wise, to his so-called peer group.

I'm  a hack compared to Rory,  yes.  I have no issue with that.

Oh, okay so are handing out labels by comparing people to other people. Got it. Still have a bit of a problem calling anyone with a +.3 handicap a hack, but to each their own I guess.

Edited March 23, 2018 by NM Golf

[RussUK]

Good on him (I did have to google him TBH). You'll never know if you are good enough if you dont give it a try. Usain Bolt is doing a similar thing with a trial at Borussia Dortmund. Like has been said, its good for sport in general for athletes to crossover. Its been done in the past with success in other sports

John Surtees - Motorcylcing to F1 (champ in both)

Sir Chris Hoy - Cycling to GT Racing (Champ in both)

Probably many more (too tired to go googling im afraid )

[3jacker]

6 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

Oh, okay so are handing out labels by comparing people to other people. Got it. Still have a bit of a problem calling anyone with a +.3 handicap a hack, but to each their own I guess.

Not handing out labels.  I'm comparing a guy playing in a PGA Tour event as a pro to the other pros against whom he's competing. 

And I am skeptical of the +0.3 number, yes.

And I didn't call him a hack, I did lump him in with them though!

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by 3jacker

[NM Golf]

2 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

Not handing out labels.  I'm comparing a guy playing in a PGA Tour event as a pro to the other pros against whom he's competing. 

 

Actually he's competing as an amateur, and yes you are handing out labels.

Edited March 23, 2018 by NM Golf

[3jacker]

Whatever dude, let it go.

 

[jbishop15]

7 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

Not handing out labels.  I'm comparing a guy playing in a PGA Tour event as a pro to the other pros against whom he's competing. 

And I am skeptical of the +0.3 number, yes.

And I didn't call him a hack, I did lump him in with them though!

 

He's come within a few strokes of qualifying for the US Open several times. A vanity-capper he is not.  

Edited March 23, 2018 by jbishop15

[klineka]

42 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

It is crap given the venue.  He is a relative hack, skill-wise, to his so-called peer group.

I wouldnt consider PGA golfers to be in the same peer group as Tony Romo. 

Peer group in the sense that they are/were professional atheletes, then sure.

But Romo is a scratch golfer competing as an amateur against guys that are +3 to +6 handicaps.

He shot exactly the course rating, which is what a scratch golfer is supposed to do. How is that "crap given the course"? Sure by PGA tour standards that might be crap, but he's not claiming to have a +5 hcp and then shooting a 77.

Compared to his actual peer group (other scratch golfers) he is doing perfectly fine and is by no means a hack.

Edited March 23, 2018 by klineka

[DeadMan]

1 hour ago, NM Golf said:

He could be a scratch golfer, in fact he probably is. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between a scratch amateur and a Tour pro. 

The Course rating at Corales Golf Club is 76.9 and the slope is 140. So even as a scratch player he would be expected to shoot somewhere in the neighborhood of 77, which is exactly what he did. Throw in the pressure of being in a PGA Tour event, the media, etc, he did a decent job. I don't think people fully realize exactly how good these guys are on the PGA Tour and the absolute chasm that exists between their game and ours.

Thanks for including the CR and slope. Did not realize it.

Still, his record in amateur events is not that great.

• Didn't break 80 at the Western Open finished 151 out of 156: http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/20230429/tony-romo-misses-cut-western-amateur
• He's made it to sectional US Open qualifying once, where he played well but WD and wouldn't have made the cut: https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/5/3/15536364/tony-romo-us-open-golf-qualifying-2017. That was also a while ago, so I don't know how much it matters for current tournaments.
• Most recent US Open qualifying, missed cut by 6 strokes: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2017/05/08/tony-romo-fails-qualify-us-open/101440116/

Honestly, the Western Open scores is what gives me the most pause. Maybe I was too harsh in calling him a vanity capper.

Either way, I don't have a problem with him competing in a Web.com event. I'm just skeptical that he's really a scratch golfer. He's still really freaking good, though.

[3jacker]

His peer group is retired quarterbacks, so he's a standout for sure!

I did not call him a hack. I was referring to the ams in the AT&T.  It was an attempt to compare the way I felt about watching him shoot 77 in a PGA Tour event to watching the various actors, entertainers, etc. 

The "hack" comment was attributed to me by someone who didn't like my thoughts on Romo's debut in the tournament.

[klineka]

I'll just leave these here.

5 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

I did not call him a hack. 

52 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

He is a relative hack, skill-wise, to his so-called peer group.

 

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, 3jacker said:

77 in a PGA Tour event is crap.

Hacks playing on Tour drive me away.

 

7 minutes ago, 3jacker said:

I did not call him a hack. I was referring to the ams in the AT&T.  It was an attempt to compare the way I felt about watching him shoot 77 in a PGA Tour event to watching the various actors, entertainers, etc. 

The "hack" comment was attributed to me by someone who didn't like my thoughts on Romo's debut in the tournament.

Obviously I've edited these quotes at either end, but it certainly seemed that you were labeling Romo as a hack, along with the amateurs who play at Pebble Beach.  My opinion, Romo did well to shoot a number right at the course rating, that's a good round by a scratch player.  I have to admit, we're a pretty picky group here about not just content, but about phrasing of opinions.  Even engineers like me, for whom the written word of any kind is like a second language.

[MuniGrit]

1 hour ago, 3jacker said:

It is crap given the venue.  He is a relative hack, skill-wise, to his so-called peer group.

I'm  a hack compared to Rory,  yes.  I have no issue with that.

Rory has lost twice now to a guy with a similar handicap as Romo BTW.

[3jacker]

OK. fair enough.  I did not initially call him a hack.  Then someone said I did, and I went ahead and implied that he was a hack with those statements above.

This thread is about our thoughts on him playing in the event. I gave mine. 

77 in a tour event is good for an amateur, for sure.  I still don't have any desire to see someone play at that level.  I can do that myself!

I understand others are interested to see a guy give it a go, especially a guy that has seen great success in another sport.  I never had an issue with that opinion.  I don't understand the issue with mine. I have harsh ones sometimes.

[MSchott]

1 hour ago, 3jacker said:

Not handing out labels.  I'm comparing a guy playing in a PGA Tour event as a pro to the other pros against whom he's competing. 

And I am skeptical of the +0.3 number, yes.

And I didn't call him a hack, I did lump him in with them though!

 

You do know that tour pro's handicaps are -5 to -6? You claim to be a 2. I think you'd be lucky to break 85 under this pressure on this course from these tees.