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Where do you stand on these?
  1. Was Fuzzy Zoeller joking when he said "don't let him serve fried chicken... or collard greens or whatever they like to eat?"
  2. Should Augusta National admit women as Martha Burk wished?
  3. Should Casey Martin have been allowed to ride on the PGA Tour?
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Fuzzy may have been joking in his head, but he should have been smart enough to know that nobody would have taken it that way. I didn't, and it's sad that this is how he'll be remembered.

If we can have an NAACP, I say we should be allowed to have an NAAWP. Augusta National isn't a federal government program. Can I join NOW? (Maybe I can, I dunno, but you get the point.) The club is set up as it is. Start your own club, Martha.

I think that walking is part of the game. Start down the slippery slope of allowing for things with handicaps and someone with a medical degree will come along and declare the putting yips a mental health issue and argue that two putts should be given to players who qualify on every green, and every putt inside five feet. The game, at that level, is a walking game. Nothing was stopping Casey from earning a living in the game of golf, but doing so on the PGA Tour, in competition, no.
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1) Fuzzy crossed the line. Probably didn't mean anything by it. Probably thought he was being funny. Says something about him when he thinks that kind of comment is funny.

2) I agree...Martha start your own club. If our country can have places like "Curves" - the workout place for women only, why can't private golf clubs choose to have a membership of men only. Not

3) Walking is part of the game. It kills me to even watch the Senior Pros (even though it is understandable) ride their carts from shot to shot. It takes away from what the game was meant to be about.
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1. I don't think he was kidding. It's a natural redneck reaction when a young stud comes and takes over. You're trying to insult him on other fields than golf course, since you can't beat him there.
2. No. No. No. Oh, by the way - did I say "No" ?
3. No. As "cold" and "heartless" it might sound - if you don't have phisical ability to play the game (walking IS part of it) - S.O.L. Should I sue PGA, because my body's limitations don't allow me to swing good enough to play there?
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Fuzzy was joking.Ita thier club so no women.If you cant play by the rules don't play.Try the special olympics.

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1. I agree with you 100%

2. Augusta National, I believe, has already allowed a woman member.  See Dr.

Condoleeza Rice.

3. No one is " entitled" to be a PGA Tour Pro, simply because he finished high in a US Open, and played on the same college golf team with Tiger Woods. The PGA Tour is  a private association whose members have earned their admission through their paying skills, and have agreed to abide by the rules. It is not open to the public.

Oops ! sorry. Old post..

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Just now, 308 Ragin Cajun said:

1. I agree with you 100%

2. Augusta National, I believe, has already allowed a woman member.  See Dr.

Condoleeza Rice.

3. No one is " entitled" to be a PGA Tour Pro, simply because he finished high in a US Open, and played on the same college golf team with Tiger Woods. The PGA Tour is  a private association whose members have earned their admission through their paying skills, and have agreed to abide by the rules. It is not open to the public. ..

You may have just won the award for resurrecting the oldest thread. 14 years, 1 month, 15 days.

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2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

You may have just won the award for resurrecting the oldest thread. 14 years, 1 month, 15 days.

So does that mean I can comment now on this thread ;)

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Just now, saevel25 said:

So does that mean I can comment now on this thread 😉

No. You have to find an older thread. :-)

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Just now, boogielicious said:

No. You have to find an older thread. :-)

Challenge Accepted!

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how do you even come upon this thread?   just sitting in the search bar and wondering what people are thinking about Fuzzy Zoeller these days?  

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Now I'm going to have to do some digging, as I've only been on the board for 8 years.

I wonder what other hidden gems I, errr I mean we, can uncover.
I hope there aren't any old blackface photo's, or posts that are offensive in a much more PC world.

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2 hours ago, lastings said:

how do you even come upon this thread?   just sitting in the search bar and wondering what people are thinking about Fuzzy Zoeller these days?  

that's what I want to know.  How in the world did you even come across this thread?

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7 hours ago, Herkimer said:

I didn't see the date on the first post so I was wondering "Why is he bringing all of this up now?"  Ha! 

January 18, 2005!

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When I read abour Fuzzy's remark, I thought it was a joke on his part. More of a initiation, or a welcoming remark. 

I believe Agusta National already has a female member. Dr. Rice?.

As for Casey, I am pro "rights for the handicapped". Not sure how much advantage a cart gave him over the healthy players. He still had to make the shots, like everyone else. Pro golf is supposed to be a game of integrity. I tend to think part of that integrity also includes looking out for the less fortunate..  

 

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23 minutes ago, Patch said:

I believe Agusta National already has a female member. Dr. Rice?.

The topic is from 2005! C'mon man. Read.

23 minutes ago, Patch said:

As for Casey, I am pro "rights for the handicapped". Not sure how much advantage a cart gave him over the healthy players. 

It gives him a huge advantage. Virtually every PGA Tour player knows that walking 6 rounds a week is a huge part of the game.

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Buckeyebowman Super Member

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Talk about a blast from the past! But, since others have chimes in, I guess I will too.

I do think Fuzzy was joking, as tone deaf as it was. He may have been referring to when he hosted the Masters Champions dinner. For those who don't know, the reigning Masters champ picks the menu for the following year's dinner. I read that the chef was after Fuzzy like crazy for what he wanted for the dinner, and Fuzzy kept putting him off saying he'd take care of it. According to the article, Fuzzy showed up with a trunk full of Big Macs and fries from the local McDonald's! He told the chef to heat them up, plate them up, and serve them! 

I think Martha Burke's protest might have drawn a dozen people total. It's their club, their rules! I also read an article where the author went to Augusta at the invitation of a member, and wrote that there were women everywhere! True, they were all spouses or guests of members, but there was no shortage of women on the premises. Hey, I'm a guy and I can't get into Augusta. I should be offended! 

Casey Martin was a tough case but again, rules are rules! You have to walk to play on the Tour. I read another article where the author interviewed, I think it was Corey Pavin. One of the subjects brought up was the "athleticism" of golf. Pavin said that one thing you need to be is a really good walker! Sounds simple, but some people just can't do that. He mentioned playing in pro-ams with pro football players, who would really start to drag ass about #14 or #15 on a hot day! They just aren't used to being on their feet that long.

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