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I stopped following after the 5th bullet point on Day 1 of the "finale". Doesn't matter because I'm not going to watch anyways.

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15 hours ago, Darkfrog said:
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Two weeks ago, Greg Norman said he was fielding intense interest from media companies eager to broadcast LIV tournaments.

So LIV is going to pay to get broadcast time for their league. I guess all the interest in the LIV product broadcast rights that Greg Norman talked about was BS.

Yeah, although there are some conflicting things said via the Twitteratti experts.   Mainly the two camps are:

1 -  It shows how there is not a lot of interest. (one person quoted an "unnamed exec" with "it's not an interesting product and it's tarnished as well.   No sponsors are going to touch it".   Maybe a few that don't care?

2 -  Any sports league would be doing this early on until more interest catches on.  Hence this is a good move since if they can deliver ratings like LIV/Norman thinks they can, it'll help them.

 

Personally I am in the first camp.   I think for all the money thrown at this, there is too much controversy and I'm not surprised that Fox Sports would be the only contender since they don't have any existing golf.  I wonder if they will run a disclaimer before it, or something.   The following media companies have relationships with the PGA Tour:

Major networks. -  CBS/NBC and ABC (through Disney/ESPN)

Golf Channel seems very pro-PGAT and they are owned by the same company as NBC (Comcast).  I mean something like TBS or another channel could do it, but I'm not sure that random cable networks are set to do that.   Even though most of them are owned by major media companies.   Warner Discovery and it's subsidiaries have TBS which has done sports and they also have a sports group but nothing golf that I see.   So you have to risk onboarding something that seems like it might not be around in a few years.   Paramount/Viacom is owned of CBS so that is kind of out as well.  

On the streaming front, Amazon and Apple passed.   Not sure why exactly, but they probably don't want to risk it either given the source of the money and the reaction a lot of people have to it.  Hulu is part of Disney.  

There is some valid argument for the second camp, that any upstart rival would do this.   Someone quotes the Ryder Cup as having to purchase time as late as 1989.   But I think today's world is very different.   With all the competing media companies and the money thrown at streaming, there is a lot more likelihood that someone would take a chance if it was such a great product.   How many viewing options were there in the quoted 1989 time frame.  Basic cable was around, but no streaming and the 3 big networks ruled everything for the most part.   I think it really says something that in what is a golden age of content (quality and quantity) that almost everyone passed on it.  And then that LIV had to pay to put it on the air.   Maybe it's a co-production?  Who knows?

 

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16 hours ago, DeadMan said:

I was coming to post that article. I thought this was interesting:

Is LIV going to bother selling commercials at all? If so, are we going to be treated to a bunch of MyPillow commercials? Maybe 1-800-cars-for-kids?

 

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7 hours ago, imsys0042 said:

 

I have bought that more than once for white elephant exchanges. I have also received it, so I guess the joke is on me.

If they bring back the Hammer X commercial, then I might actually tune in.

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23 hours ago, iacas said:

And it wasn't just Phil who withdrew:

With this weird format for a "championship" all they are missing is a good ole 80's style WWF championship belt.
Might as well swerve the clown car away from legitimacy.
maybe the can start putting obstacles on the course like they did in Caddyshack 2 !!!!

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The PGA Tour countersued LIV Golf late Wednesday night in the latest legal volley between the two organizations as they struggle over golf’s future. The PGA Tour accused the Saudi-backed LIV Golf of tortiously...

https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-tour-countersues-liv-golf

Most of the counterclaim is based on the PGA Tour assertion that LIV was a willing participant in convincing players to breach their contracts with the Tour by paying them large sums of money.

Those breaches by the players are the substance of the counterclaim by the Tour, which is asking for damages because of LIV’s tortious interference with the Tour’s contracts, including any lost profits, damages to reputational and brand harm, plus costs and punitive damages the Tour suffered by LIV’s actions.

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Oh boy…

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A 'strategic alliance' with the obscure MENA Tour means that rebel players have a pathway back into the majors
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Unbelievably, I am already aware of this tour! My friends son has played  a couple of events. Anyhoo the current leader of the Mena Tour money list is currently about 570 in OWGR, so even Pat Perez might make the cut.

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  1. They misspelled Koepka's last name in the description. (I understand it's autocorrect, but… c'mon guys.)
  2. The first thing Brooks says is "I just hate when you sit on the fence. Pick a side." Ummmm, huh? What are they being told that he'd say that? Seems pretty clear to me the OWGR has "picked a side." They said "no."
  3. Bryson "We've hit every mark in their criteria." Ummmm, name them? And what marks have you hit? You've been around for a year? No. You have cuts? No. Clear path to qualification? No. So what marks have you hit?

I lost interest when the translator had to speak for two minutes straight after that. 😉

It seems somewhat clear that the players were told OWGR points would be there for them pretty soon. Did they believe the Asian Tour stuff was their immediate way in, and now that it seems to be failing, or the Asian Tour isn't playing ball, that this MENA play was going to work?

I also think the likelihood of OWGR points being assigned retroactively are slimmer than they seem to think, though I suppose since they're *points* it would only really affect the LIV player *points*. Doing it after any tournaments that awards player entry based on their ranking (top 50, top 100, whatever) though feels… funny. That affects players outside of LIV.

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59 minutes ago, iacas said:

The first thing Brooks says is "I just hate when you sit on the fence. Pick a side." Ummmm, huh? What are they being told that he'd say that? Seems pretty clear to me the OWGR has "picked a side." They said "no."

I'd say the OWGR has picked a side, they've chosen to enforce the rules and procedures they have in place, coupled with the original filing from the MENA tour.  The OWGA isn't supposed to pick a side, they're supposed to be neutral, they're supposed to enforce the current rules and procedures, and/or revise those rules and procedures when appropriate.  So far, it seems that they're doing just that.

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If LIV is going to send golfers to complain about world ranking points, it shouldn't be those two. The only reason these guys want world ranking points is to get into the majors, and Brooks and Bryson are exempt into all the majors for a while still. If they need world ranking points, they can just play well in the majors. Problem solved!

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I wonder if these LIV players saying these things will eventually have self realization of what puppets they are. Probably not because of the LIV money and their egos, but I'm eagerly waiting for the first person to crack.

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52 minutes ago, Darkfrog said:

I wonder if these LIV players saying these things will eventually have self realization of what puppets they are. Probably not because of the LIV money and their egos, but I'm eagerly waiting for the first person to crack.

Agreed.

 

The lack of self-awareness - or perhaps the shameless DISPLAY of a lack of self-awareness, which is even worse - is kind of amazing to me.

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To not get points is kinda crazy as, at least I believe, we have the top players in the world.

Ah, yes. The top players in the world like Chase Koepka (1646), Peter Uihlein (329), James Piot (2704), Laurie Canter (161), Phachara Khongwatmai (154), Bernd Wiesberger (114), Turk Pettit (686), Matthew Wolff (123), Phil Mickelson (134), Jediah Morgan (314), Sihwan Kim (158), Hideto Tanihara (235), Pat Perez (200), etc.

I realize I am cherry picking some names I have never heard of (and a few I know), and of course, to even be ranked in the OWGR means you're a phenomenal player, but FFS, the hyperbole is ridiculous with these LIV player statements.

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Well when you’re young and don’t have the usual worries most people have, and they probably never will, they have to complain about something. Millions of dollars before you’re 30-40…what to do what to do?

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