LIV Golf (Saudi PIF), "Mergers," and More

[GolfSwami]

It is interesting reading this thread.  Two things.

1. I see stuff about 9/11.  The Saudi government didn't cause 9/11. People from Saudi Arabia hijacked planes.  Big difference.  In a liberal society, you punish individuals not collectives. 

Alleged Saudi government role in the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia

2.  Trade is how people who otherwise might not get along find ways to coexist without violence. The more economically interdependent people in different nations are, the less likely there is going to be war.   Economic isolation against whatever country rarely works.   China is much less likely to attack the US because of the economic relationship. Same with Saudi Arabia. The World is Flat by Tom Friedman has a chapter about how trade partners don't attack each other.

A good practical read that relates to the LIV Tour is The King of Oil about Marc Rich.  He got wealthy in large part by facilitating trade with unseemly people. The world was a better place for it. 

[iacas]

We are not going into it because it’s political, but the 9/11 tie-ins aren’t bogus, people here understand the difference between citizens and a government, etc. Please don’t assume otherwise.

[Double Mocha Man]

55 minutes ago, Sandy Divot said:

You might have well be speaking Chinese.

Sandy... we need to bring you (kicking and screaming) into the new century...

[boogielicious]

24 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Sandy... we need to bring you (kicking and screaming) into the new century...

The new century began 22 years and 7 months ago.

[Double Mocha Man]

10 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

The new century began 22 years and 7 months ago.

Ah yes, back when Sandy Divot worked in IT... 

And was 20 years old. 😀

Edited July 30, 2022 by Double Mocha Man

[turtleback]

15 hours ago, GolfSwami said:

2.  Trade is how people who otherwise might not get along find ways to coexist without violence. The more economically interdependent people in different nations are, the less likely there is going to be war.   Economic isolation against whatever country rarely works.   China is much less likely to attack the US because of the economic relationship. Same with Saudi Arabia. The World is Flat by Tom Friedman has a chapter about how trade partners don't attack each other.

LIV has nothing to do with trade.  There is a world of difference between buying a Chinese-made toaster at WalMart and what SA is doing with LIV.

[The Flush]

 

[mkgolf]

It just feels like no one cares about winning. It's just a casual tournament. 

[The Flush]

 

[The Flush]

 

[Moxley]

This is quite something from the Majesticks today, level with 4aces now.

[ScouseJohnny]

3 hours ago, Moxley said:

This is quite something from the Majesticks today, level with 4aces now.

That's a nice, subtle piece of dry humour that cuts like a stiletto. I bet the audience is on the edge of its seats.

[70sSanO]

40 minutes ago, ScouseJohnny said:

That's a nice, subtle piece of dry humour that cuts like a stiletto. I bet the audience is on the edge of its seat.

FIFY

John

[imsys0042]

DT and the USFL

Interesting reading on the way Trump handled the USFL.   Barely goes into politics.   Trump's talking about the disloyal PGA and how players better jump when they merge (ok, whatever) really seems to stem from being jilted by the PGA Tour and the PGA of America from those tournaments.   At least that is part of the contention the article makes.

I doubt Trump is anything other than a host for a couple of the venues.   The Saudis don't need any investors, but he seems to be happy to throw the PGA Tour under the bus.

[chspeed]

On 7/30/2022 at 8:10 PM, The Flush said:

 

Cute, but fake.

[Big Lex]

1 hour ago, chspeed said:

Cute, but fake.

I went to the event on Saturday and Sunday. I did not see any signs like this, and I didn't hear any "FJB" or Brandon comments or whatever. It wouldn't surprise me if there are videos out there of these things happening, but in 2 days there spending several hours among crowds and various grandstand areas, I never experienced any of this. 

That said, the fan behavior was, well, undignified quite often. But it was easy to get away from that crap. 

[imsys0042]

12 minutes ago, Big Lex said:

That said, the fan behavior was, well, undignified quite often. But it was easy to get away from that crap. 

From being there, does LIV try and promote a more "party" atmosphere?  Their marketing sounds like they are trying to be cool and edgy sometimes.   I wonder how that translates during the events.

 

[Big Lex]

10 minutes ago, imsys0042 said:

From being there, does LIV try and promote a more "party" atmosphere?  Their marketing sounds like they are trying to be cool and edgy sometimes.   I wonder how that translates during the events.

 

II guess they were probably trying to promote a party atmosphere maybe a little. They had music playing, constantly, for example, during the tournament. Concessions were readily available and lines were short, and there was no shortage of alcohol to be had. 

But it didn't feel like a party really. It wasn't all that different a feeling from the last event I went to, which was the Travelers in CT about 4 years ago.