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8 hours ago, Vinsk said:

If you honestly preferred watching CH111 battle an easy 4 shot lead over Peter Ulhein to a five way tie with Spieth, Rory, Scheffler, Cantlay, Hatton all in contention at the Arnold Palmer..with an up and coming rookie winning his first after coming back from a triple bogey at #9, I don’t know what to tell ya bro……

Agree. That was a terrific finish at Bay Hill. I thought Kitayama was so clutch in the last two holes. It did look like he was going to literally puke before that last putt. Plus there was 7-8 players with a chance to win in the last 5 holes. Great tournament.

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He did find his biggest fan. It was Greg Norman.

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Agree. That was a terrific finish at Bay Hill. I thought Kitayama was so clutch in the last two holes. It did look like he was going to literally puke before that last putt. Plus there was 7-8 players with a chance to win in the last 5 holes. Great tournament.

Absolutely. Amazing perseverance by Kitayama. That triple would’ve sent me off the rails. 

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13 hours ago, iacas said:

LIV shows commercials now, and they didn't last year because they had no sponsors or commercial (interest).

Who cares who funds it or what their actual goals may be, amirite?

No commercials on the LIV Plus app.  

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The best entertainment product possible.  The emergence of competition can only help with this.

How'd that work out for boxing?

 

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A mix I am forever tinkering with. 

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18 minutes ago, BlueRidgePro said:

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Yeah, sorry, but no. I care who funds the LIV Tour, and I'm not down with it.

Cool that you got to watch meaningless golf, exhibition golf. Glad you enjoy it.

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41 minutes ago, BlueRidgePro said:

No commercials on the LIV Plus app.  

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Lol! Ok. I guess you’ve given up on any major sport presentations if that’s your deciding factor. The Arnold Palmer also had ‘play through’ commercials. But I get it. Not missing a second of the LIV announcers squealing in forced excitement over CHIII cruising to an easy win must’ve been exhilarating!

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No commercials on the LIV Plus app.  

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Are there any other sports leagues that you'd like to see sponsored by a government with unlimited finances so they can threaten private enterprise? 

 

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sponsored by a government

It makes a difference.   Aussies, no problem - Saudis, ya a problem.   Sport washing is real.  

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Greg Norman might be out of LIV?

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favicon.ico What's going on with Greg Norman? Has he just left LIV Golf?

Golf fans have been speculating about the future of Greg Norman after the Aussie removed any mention of LIV Golf in his Twitter biography.

This is of course after ruining Cam Smith's career:

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Did Greg Norman actually ruin Cam Smith's career?

You've really got to hand it to Greg Norman. The guy is great at stealing the spotlight, even when it's for something bad.
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Greg Norman might be out of LIV?

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favicon.ico What's going on with Greg Norman? Has he just left LIV Golf?

Golf fans have been speculating about the future of Greg...

This is of course after ruining Cam Smith's career:

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Did Greg Norman actually ruin Cam Smith's career?

You've really got to hand it to Greg Norman. The guy is...

Maybe Greg will be invited to a private meeting at a Saudi consulate 😂

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This SI article has some interesting details about what's going on at LIV:

The thing that jumps out to me is $180 million of expenses that were unapproved.

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32 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

This SI article has some interesting details about what's going on at LIV:

The thing that jumps out to me is $180 million of expenses that were unapproved.

So one of  the least liked duties of a golf pro, selling merchandise, marketing, is being bestowed on actual tour playing pros? Lol.

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This SI article has some interesting details about what's going on at LIV:

The thing that jumps out to me is $180 million of expenses that were unapproved.

Weird article, each sentence it's own paragraph. Feels a bit like a bunch of informational statements on various topics provided by LIV for SI to publish. One copy edit fail, what is an "oil company company".

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The unapproved expenses leading to the PIF ousting execs, teams having to sell their own merch, and 2-4x penalty for breaking contracts are interesting. Also what seemed to be described as players not understanding the 10-14 event commitment was interesting.

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https://www.golfchannel.com/news/world-wide-technology-championship-moving-mayakoba-tiger-woods-designed-course

I don't think this was posted yet, but the WGC announced its moving from Mayakoba to a course in Cabo after Maykoba hosted LIV.  We can speculate that maybe the two are related?  This article doesn't give any specifics though.  Maybe a coincidence.

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29 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

We can speculate that maybe the two are related?

I'm guessing they are. LIV's model right now really seems to be go to places spurned by the PGA Tour - Mayakoba, the Greenbrier, any Trump course, etc. It's stupidity. The article I linked above says the event in Australia is sold out already. Maybe bringing golf events to places that are golf crazy and have no PGA Tour event might be a better idea than what they are doing now. 9 of the 14 events this year are in the US or Saudi Arabia. Maybe more than one event in Australia would be good. What about South Africa - you have a team from South Africa and there's not really a big professional event there. Hell, in the US, they're going to Boston, Chicago, NY metro, Tulsa, West Virginia, Florida, etc. Why not have an event in Seattle? Or maybe Denver? There are lots of golf-crazy places without professional golf events that have a better chance of showing out. Instead, LIV is turning towards courses that have a beef with the PGA Tour. It really looks like it's based on spite rather than actually trying to get fans.

Look no further than the guy running it all for where this is coming from. Instead of trying to do something that might bring in fans, Greg Norman is doing this to spite the PGA Tour. It's a bad business strategy, and it does seem like the Saudis might be seeing that now.

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They like to boast about their attendance numbers while ignoring the fact their viewership numbers are dismal. It’s too bad the people attending these events are just going for a good time with beer and music and the chance to see Paulina while disregarding who’s running the event.

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50 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

They like to boast about their attendance numbers while ignoring the fact their viewership numbers are dismal. It’s too bad the people attending these events are just going for a good time with beer and music and the chance to see Paulina while disregarding who’s running the event.

The few times I had a curious check of LIV ticket pricing on stub hub, days before a US event, they were going for less than $10. Not sure if that's changed recently but that's abysmal. 

 

The Masters ought to be interesting. If a couple of big LIV studs don't finish in the top 10 it's a pretty horrific statement about the lack competitive level on LIV. 

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