Daily Rules Question

[Asheville]

A player may rotate his or her ball on the putting green after marking the position of the ball with his or her finger.
    A.    True
    B.    False
 

[dennyjones]

I'm going to say True.   

 

btw..  @Asheville, I appreciate all of the rules work you are doing here.   I'm slowly learning!

[DaveP043]

False, reason in Spoiler

Spoiler

14.1a requires the player to mark the position of the ball in one of two ways:

Use a ball-marker (a term defined in the Rules)

Hold a club on the ground right behind or next to the ball

Using a finger to mark the spot is not one of the permitted methods to mark the ball.

 

[Missouri Swede]

51 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

False, reason in Spoiler

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14.1a requires the player to mark the position of the ball in one of two ways:

Use a ball-marker (a term defined in the Rules)

Hold a club on the ground right behind or next to the ball

Using a finger to mark the spot is not one of the permitted methods to mark the ball.

 

Spoiler

So a golf glove could be used instead, since it's an artificial object?  The tip of a glove? With the finger inside?

 

[Piz]

A prosthetic finger could be used...so long as it was either pocketed, or reattached, before continuing play.

[DaveP043]

For @Missouri Swede, in my opinion if its not being worn, it might qualify, but if it IS being worn, no.  I can't really back that up, its just my interpretation.

[Rulesman]

The requirement is that it is an object made to be a ball-marker or another small piece of equipment.

IMO a glove satisfies neither.

 

[ChetlovesMer]

2 hours ago, Asheville said:

A player may rotate his or her ball on the putting green after marking the position of the ball with his or her finger.
    A.    True
    B.    False
 

I'm going with False. Not with his or her own finger, … but maybe if you cut off somebody else's finger and that was your usual ball marker???? …. 

[dennyjones]

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A player may rotate his or her ball on the putting green...... (the OP question)

If the ball moves doesn't it get replaced w/o penalty under the new rules?   What if I accidentally kick my ball, don't I replace it to the original place and I couldn't be sure it's rotational orientation?  

I saw the spoilers from @DaveP043 and it makes sense. 

Not trying to troll and will end with the questions but curious.  

[iacas]

Only if it’s accidental.

[fredf]

11 hours ago, Asheville said:

A player may rotate his or her ball on the putting green after marking the position of the ball with his or her finger.
    A.    True
    B.    False
 

The answer is false.

However, if that finger is in a gloved hand and the part of the glove used allows the player to accurately identify the spot the ball was lifted from to enable accurate replacement then the answer is true.

A ball marker must be an artificial object, per the definition.

[Rulesman]

8 hours ago, fredf said:

The answer is false.

However, if that finger is in a gloved hand and the part of the glove used allows the player to accurately identify the spot the ball was lifted from to enable accurate replacement then the answer is true.

A ball marker must be an artificial object, per the definition.

I suggest you read the definition of a ball marker

[fredf]

10 minutes ago, Rulesman said:

I suggest you read the definition of a ball marker

I suggest you re-read my input.  It is the current official answer.  

[Rulesman]

1 hour ago, fredf said:

I suggest you re-read my input.  It is the current official answer.  

What is the authority for that 'official answer' and where is it published?

Edited March 12, 2020 by Rulesman

[fredf]

29 minutes ago, Rulesman said:

What is the authority for that 'official answer' and where is it published?

From an official body (one of the two) that provides rulings with the following statement at the bottom "This response is for your personal information and may not be posted or disclosed by email or internet posting."

I would prefer to see any ruling these bodies make published, except for obvious answers where someone failed to check the Official Guide carefully. I think publishing would support the cause of Rules education.

[boogielicious]

Ball-Marker
An artificial object when used to mark the spot of a ball to be lifted, such as a tee, a coin, an object made to be a ball-marker or another small piece of equipment.

When a Rule refers to a ball-marker being moved, this means a ball-marker in place on the course to mark the spot of a ball that has been lifted and not yet replaced.

[Asheville]

Speaking of ball marking, and many worked out that the answer to the first question is  - False. Thanks

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Q2 When must a ball be marked?
    A.    When playing "lift, clean and place".
    B.    When taking relief from a cart path.
    C.    When lifted because it interferes with another player’s line-of-play.
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[Rulesman]

1 hour ago, fredf said:

From an official body (one of the two) that provides rulings with the following statement at the bottom "This response is for your personal information and may not be posted or disclosed by email or internet posting."

I would prefer to see any ruling these bodies make published, except for obvious answers where someone failed to check the Official Guide carefully. I think publishing would support the cause of Rules education.

Can you explain their reasoning without quoting directly?