General COVID-19 Topic

[boogielicious]

6 hours ago, Vinsk said:

They simply don’t believe it. And that may be even worse. I debate the benefits every day and debunk people’s ‘concerns’ over the vaccine and they all just refuse to believe. It’s catastrophically frustrating. And it’s the same ole nonsense too. Not enough research, I’m healthy and don’t have to worry, vaccinated people are still getting Covid, and then the crazy government conspiracy garbage pops up here and there. 

It’s MY FREEDOM to believe 2 + 2 = 5! And I refuse to believe you that it equals 4!

[ChetlovesMer]

52 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

It’s MY FREEDOM to believe 2 + 2 = 5! And I refuse to believe you that it equals 4!

Because of where I went to school... I won't mention where... that answer could be correct.

[imsys0042]

19 hours ago, iacas said:

Depends on the disagreement.

Exactly 

18 hours ago, flopster said:

Exactly a friend is not a friend when they wilfully put you and loved ones in harm's way, they should respect your wishes and not expose you or anyone important to you if they can't be certain they are not infected.

Exactly.

My wife and I have generally drawn the line at racism of any form, or basically hurting people for who they are.   We don’t think differing views means you can’t get along.   Even when our kids get vaccinated, what about those still too young to get vaccinated.  How do you protect everyone and do something simple for the common good?   It’s people who continue to be selfish and make people who are immo-compromised or too young live in fear of getting sick.   
 

and I’m really sick of the “I did my research and am deciding” crowd too.  Research is in.  Get jabbed and get us back to normal. 

[Double Mocha Man]

1 hour ago, imsys0042 said:

and I’m really sick of the “I did my research and am deciding” crowd too.  Research is in.  Get jabbed and get us back to normal. 

If the anti-vaxers did their research on what makes their car run they'd be putting water in the fuel tank.  And liquid ivermectin.  It's called faulty research and agenda-driven research.

[Wanzo]

On 9/3/2021 at 5:55 PM, StuM said:

Limit the spread so fewer get sick and fewer die and the faster we can get back to normal.

Exactly my point.  It’s not clear  What’s fewer?  

Edited September 5, 2021 by Wanzo

[StuM]

5 minutes ago, Wanzo said:

On 9/3/2021 at 6:55 PM, StuM said:

Limit the spread so fewer get sick and fewer die and the faster we can get back to normal.

Exactly my point.  What’s fewer?  

Fair question that I can't answer.  But I will tell you it is less than the 3,201 that Florida reported on Sept. 3 or the 4,448 2-Day total Michigan reported for Sept. 2 & 3.

Coronavirus - Coronavirus

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths

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How is Florida faring against COVID-19, both overall and at a state level? Get the answers here, with data on hotspots and infection rates. This map tracks the history of coronavirus cases in Florida, both recent and all-time.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by StuM
Added links to data that I quoted.

[mattm16]

I will say this.  I live in Monroe, Michigan, and in my county my kids are going to the only school that is requiring masks.  That doesn't bother me at all.  I do know; however; there is a lot of pushback when they announced that.  Sign's all over, Unmask the kids.  People complaining.  It is really dividing people on it.

Also, a judge ruled blocked Western Michigan University from enforcing a vaccine requirement on 4 female soccer players, ruling that they are likely to prevail on claims it violates their constitutional religious rights.   This could start others starting to state the same thing in other colleges/work/etc.

[saevel25]

3 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

Also, a judge ruled blocked Western Michigan University from enforcing a vaccine requirement on 4 female soccer players, ruling that they are likely to prevail on claims it violates their constitutional religious rights. 

Then don't play them. 

 

[mattm16]

Just now, saevel25 said:

Then don't play them. 

 

I get what you are saying, but now they have to because a judge ruled requiring the vaccine violates their constitutional religious rights.

[boogielicious]

10 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

I get what you are saying, but now they have to because a judge ruled requiring the vaccine violates their constitutional religious rights.

So I get to make up some phony religious belief to get out of stuff? That’s such utter hooey. I’d love them to find a passage in the Bible that forbids vaccines. 

Religious exemptions to vaccine mandates could test ‘sincerely held beliefs’

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“I don’t think most of this is sincere. I think it’s just a way to get out of having to take a vaccine,” a bioethics professor said.

 

[Double Mocha Man]

8 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

So I get to make up some phony religious belief to get out of stuff? That’s such utter hooey.

In my state you have to fill out a form and write an essay to get a religious exemption.  Can't be BS, if there's a red flag they will check out your associations and dedication to your religious beliefs.

[ncates00]

16 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

So I get to make up some phony religious belief to get out of stuff? That’s such utter hooey. I’d love them to find a passage in the Bible that forbids vaccines. 

This is a misunderstanding of the separation of church and state. @Double Mocha Man does a decent job explaining it. Generally, governments do not inquire about the legitimacy or content of religious beliefs. However, governments may inquire as to the sincerity of the beliefs the person purports to hold. 

[Double Mocha Man]

2 minutes ago, ncates00 said:

However, governments may inquire as to the sincerity of the beliefs the person purports to hold. 

I've read that not everyone who applied for "Conscientious Objector" during the Vietnam War was granted it...

[ncates00]

13 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

I've read that not everyone who applied for "Conscientious Objector" during the Vietnam War was granted it...

We would have to look at the specific instances, documentation provided, etc. instead of just “I’ve read” to make a determination, though. 

[False hopes]

Take the shot, take the shot.  It doesn't matter how many shots you take.  Just take the shot. Otherwise we won't be able to play golf.  It doesn't matter that it's a sport played individually, in the open air, in the sun where the China virus is not a virulent.  Also wear a mask for a virus that masks can't prevent. 

[Double Mocha Man]

11 minutes ago, ncates00 said:

We would have to look at the specific instances, documentation provided, etc. instead of just “I’ve read” to make a determination, though. 

Conscientious Objection to Military Service | The First Amendment Encyclopedia

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The Court considered conscientious objector cases during the Vietnam War, weighing when First Amendment freedom protects someone from laws requiring military service.

It was determined objectors must oppose all wars, not only "unjust" wars.  So wondering if that means those opposed to the jab can refuse just this vaccine if they have accepted other vaccines???

[saevel25]

11 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Conscientious Objection to Military Service | The First Amendment Encyclopedia

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The Court considered conscientious objector cases during the Vietnam War, weighing when First Amendment freedom protects someone from laws requiring military service.

It was determined objectors must oppose all wars, not only "unjust" wars.  So wondering if that means those opposed to the jab can refuse just this vaccine if they have accepted other vaccines???

That is a good question that should be asked. 

What makes COVID vaccine different from a religious belief perspective that grants them protection under the law? 

[False hopes]

29 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

That is a good question that should be asked. 

What makes COVID vaccine different from a religious belief perspective that grants them protection under the law? 

Under the law doesn't matter.  At this point it is under the companies law.  They can deny both employment and acceptance.  I.e. if you don't do x I will not hire you or service you.