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6 hours ago, RFKFREAK said:

@billchao do you usually play the same course or do you play many different ones?

Because I'm curious if you use the rangefinder more because you know the course and are familiar with the greens or if there was a different reason.

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3 hours ago, RFKFREAK said:

Because I'm curious if you use the rangefinder more because you know the course and are familiar with the greens or if there was a different reason.

You can use the rangefinder on spots around greens. The H4 gives me front, back, and middle and the rangefinder is usually good enough for that. It’s not as detailed as my Garmin which has the whole green mapped out and I don’t even use that anymore.

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Just got an email about the new feature below 

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Aerial Maps now available on the free Shot Scope mobile app | GPS Distances | Course Strategy | Shot...

 

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We have recently released full course aerial maps and this feature is now available to all Shot Scope users via the Shot Scope app. If you own a Shot Scope watch, handheld, or laser rangefinder you can now get access to aerial maps. 

GPS mode allows current Shot Scope users to view an overhead map of the course whilst they play. The GPS distances update as the golfer moves around the course.

In addition, golfers will be able to measure to any point on the course by simply tapping on the map. This allows for players to measure distances to hazards, layup points, and doglegs as well as receiving accurate yardages to the front, middle, and back of every green. 

Preview mode allows golfers to view any course regardless of their location and access a bird’s eye view of every hole. Use this to plan your round before you play and devise a strategy to give yourself the best chance of playing well. 

In this mode you will not be able to access front, middle, and back distances to greens. However, you can measure to points on the course by tapping anywhere on the map. Players will receive distances from the tee box to their chosen point, and from that point to the green.

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I can try this tomorrow on hole 5 at NKGC when I play with @Bob M. It’s a blind tee shot and there are hazards left and right.

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34 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I can try this tomorrow on hole 5 at NKGC when I play with @Bob M. It’s a blind tee shot and there are hazards left and right.

You can do the preview mode from home.

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12 hours ago, dennyjones said:

You can do the preview mode from home.

I would be more likely to use in "Preview" mode from home.  I try to keep away from the phone on the course.  I know a lot of people use different apps on the phone but I would prefer simply to throw it in the bag on "DND" for the duration of the round.

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15 hours ago, dennyjones said:

You can do the preview mode from home.

It was raining today when we played. I will try again next time.

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Has it always displayed SG on individual shots when you look at your rounds on the computer? I don't know how I've never noticed it until today.

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8 hours ago, billchao said:

Has it always displayed SG on individual shots when you look at your rounds on the computer? I don't know how I've never noticed it until today.

I don't think I've noticed that. But I didn't ever really click into a specific hole from the dashboard before. I see where it is there, though.

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11 hours ago, billchao said:

Has it always displayed SG on individual shots when you look at your rounds on the computer? I don't know how I've never noticed it until today.

It’s been on there since I got the H4 at least. It’s fun, and sometimes depressing, to look at individual shots. 

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18 hours ago, DeadMan said:

It’s been on there since I got the H4 at least. It’s fun, and sometimes depressing, to look at individual shots. 

I like to look at the silver lining. Like oh, that shot didn’t cost me nearly as many strokes as I thought it did.

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I’m impressed with how robust this discussion has been and would appreciate any opinions. If “cost were not an issue” would you still choose the Shot Scope platform (and X5 watch) over Arccos?

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I would.

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32 minutes ago, ChiTown said:

I’m impressed with how robust this discussion has been and would appreciate any opinions. If “cost were not an issue” would you still choose the Shot Scope platform (and X5 watch) over Arccos?

I’ve never used Arccos so maybe a little lack of actual experience but I would stay with the ShotScope.

First, I do not mind tagging the club and am not sure I would trust the Bluetooth on Arccos to catch every swing, maybe it would, tagging is easy so I’m OK with that.

The Arccos Club tags require occasional battery changes while the SS just needs a recharge of the  GPS unit. I would hate to golf a round and learn later the batteries died.  Also there is on-going cost for the replacement batteries.

I think a lot of it will be personal preference.

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1 hour ago, ChiTown said:

I’m impressed with how robust this discussion has been and would appreciate any opinions. If “cost were not an issue” would you still choose the Shot Scope platform (and X5 watch) over Arccos?

I would. I reviewed Arccos for the site when it first came out. It’s improved since then but there are still issues plus the subscription. The H4 tags are much lighter and smaller and stay on well (unlike Game Golf).  Tagging is easy and editing your round is easy. @Bob M has the watch and he likes that too. 

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Shot Scope offered existing users a really good deal on the X5 earlier this year when they were first released. Although some reported problems, mine has worked well from the get-go and the firmware updates have been timely and fixed problems which users had experienced. Based on how they have handled the problems several users did report, I would grade Shot Scope's customer support as top notch. 

I have never used Arccos, but having to pay a subscription fee on an ongoing basis was a negative for me. I have always worn a watch when I play anyway, so it feels pretty natural. 

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I've been a Shotscope user since the V2 watch, and I would take their platform over any of the other current competitors. Right now I have an H4 handheld, and an X5 watch. I bought the watch with the same offer @Bob M got for existing users, also applied the discount code from the sidebar on this site. I purchased the watch because I kept losing (and finding after searching the course) the H4 handheld. I'm not sure which device I will eventually stick with.

I've used Garmin products before, and I think their watches are really nice. I would rate them as superior to Shotscope from a pure hardware perspective. However the Garmin CT10 tags sucked and cost a lot, and I didn't think the Garmin Golf platform was very good. I have never had an issue with any Shotscope hardware I have used, even if it is a little more "plasticky".

As far as the X5 watch goes, it's not perfect. From a hardware quality perspective, it has a nicer screen, improved strap, and feels solid and well made. I have not had any issues with it, but I find using the touch screen is slower than the 4-button configuration of previous watches and H4 handheld.

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