To Golfers Who Score in the 70s - What's Your Story?

[Groucho Valentine]

 

1 hour ago, jsgolfer said:

 

After this thread, maybe the Healing Lounge should close?

How dare you. 

14 hours ago, NM Golf said:

The ego of this guy, wow. Spoken just like someone who has nothing to back up their opinion. I'm done

Alright..here. 

 

[klineka]

20 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

 

You can google image search "mathematics" and pick one of the top search results. Congrats. All that proves is that you know how to use Google.  

Not sure why you feel the need to be sarcastic and rude when people are asking you to back up your claims with facts. Thats literally the purpose of a forum, to discuss thoughts and ideas back and forth, not be be sarcastic and rude while hiding behind a keyboard making facts and claims without any evidence to back them up.

Edited September 22, 2017 by klineka

[saevel25]

2 minutes ago, klineka said:

Not sure why you feel the need to be sarcastic and rude when people are asking you to back up your claims with facts. 

Some people don't like to be confronted with these type of questions. Some questions are scary. At this point it's pure obstinacy.

 

[Groucho Valentine]

24 minutes ago, klineka said:

You can google image search "mathematics" and pick one of the top search results. Congrats. All that proves is that you know how to use Google.  

Not sure why you feel the need to be sarcastic and rude when people are asking you to back up your claims with facts. Thats literally the purpose of a forum, to discuss thoughts and ideas back and forth, not be be sarcastic and rude while hiding behind a keyboard making facts and claims without any evidence to back them up.

The facts are what i say. Thats how opinions work. 

[saevel25]

16 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

The facts are what i say. Thats how opinions work. 

Facts are not what you say they are. They are not created by you. You can easily say something that is not factual, and by you saying it, it  doesn't now make it factual.

Opinions are not facts. You don't get to make up the facts to back up your opinion. Sorry, if you think you can make what ever facts you want then you are delusional.

Edited September 22, 2017 by saevel25

[iacas]

15 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

The facts are what i say. Thats how opinions work. 

No.

And…

Back to the actual topic at hand, please.

[ygmondoux]

On 9/20/2017 at 9:55 PM, iacas said:

Really?

C'mon… those are either freak occurrences or you just made things up. You hit EVERY green and took 42 putts? And then you hit 3 greens and got up and down 15 times?

I'm not saying those things can't happen, just that they'd be really rare… and they're NOT what generally happens.

Generally speaking, hitting the ball well is important. Getting your ball on the green with putts that you can two-putt or occasionally make is the "trick" to shooting lower scores.

Lol yeah, my only bogey free round and my only 43 putts round...par 71. hopefully the last one will never happen again.

I agree that hitting the green is key and hitting the driver well makes it even easier.  

 

[JRod4928]

I expected to see a thread to help my golf game, and instead I got a headache...

[Yukari]

It's amazing how some people still think the short game will lower your score better than having a good long game - despite the evidences showing the opposite.

For me, I find that having a bad long game will result in double, triple or worse.  Having a bad short game will result in only bogey or double.

[iacas]

6 hours ago, JRod4928 said:

I expected to see a thread to help my golf game, and instead I got a headache...

Read the earlier posts. It's 21 pages long, and @Groucho Valentine's bad advice is only on the last two or so.

4 hours ago, Yukari said:

For me, I find that having a bad long game will result in double, triple or worse.  Having a bad short game will result in only bogey or double.

And if your short game is that bad, absolutely you should work on it. It's a "glaring weakness."

[DaveP043]

7 hours ago, JRod4928 said:

I expected to see a thread to help my golf game, and instead I got a headache...

Here's the meat of most of the advice.  Improve your full swing game.  This will help you to:

1.  Keep your tee shots in play, not in the trees or desert or the bunkers or OB or lost.  

2.  Get near or on the green in regulation

Beyond that, learn to chip and putt competently.  You don't need "great", you need decent.  The concept is simple, really.  Avoid penalties, avoid needing to go sideways, keep going closer to the hole.  Execution isn't always so simple.  Good luck

[phillyk]

30 minutes ago, iacas said:

And if your short game is that bad, absolutely you should work on it. It's a "glaring weakness."

This is definitely where people are getting confused. If your short game is horrific, practice it a bit more than normal.

Short term quick gains come from short game practice. Long term and overall improvement come from full swing. 

Heck myself, my short game is terrible right now and I'm practicing it but I can still go out and shoot under par because I'll hit the majority of the greens in regulation and don't need the short game to save anything. It's still more important to me to practice full swing though. Short game takes an hour to get better, tops. 

[Groucho Valentine]

On September 23, 2017 at 3:50 PM, iacas said:

Read the earlier posts. It's 21 pages long, and @Groucho Valentine's bad advice is only on the last two or so.

And if your short game is that bad, absolutely you should work on it. It's a "glaring weakness."

It wasnt bad advice. Its just not your advice. 

[saevel25]

3 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

It wasnt bad advice. Its just not your advice. 

No it is bad advice. It's like saying, "Oh, I have the ability to drive 100 mph on the freeway so everyone should."

You are in the small group of people who are the exception to common sense. That doesn't mean your opinion is actually good advice because of that.

 

[Groucho Valentine]

6 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

No it is bad advice. It's like saying, "Oh, I have the ability to drive 100 mph on the freeway so everyone should."

You are in the small group of people who are the exception to common sense. That doesn't mean your opinion is actually good advice because of that.

 

There is nothing commonsensical about prioritising long game over short game if your aim is to be a better player. Its ass backwards. 

[phillyk]

1 hour ago, Groucho Valentine said:

There is nothing commonsensical about prioritising long game over short game if your aim is to be a better player. Its ass backwards. 

Uh here...

On 8/29/2017 at 8:33 AM, Groucho Valentine said:

I suppose ball striking matters more than putting and short game to a 10-20 handicap than does to a scratch player. I will admit that.

You already said it was more important.  If it's not important for you anymore, fine, that's a personal choice.  But for nearly everyone else, it's full swing they must work on.

[JRod4928]

The only thing separating me from scoring 95+ or 85 is my ball striking consistency.

I proved that in my last outing when I scored a 42 on the back 9, thanks to a series of great drives and 2nd shots... my short game was average (for me) that day. My drives weren't consistent in the front 9, and I scored a 48.

Everyone's different. but I've come around to the long game > short game concept (as long as your short game isn't pathetic)

[jsgolfer]

 

2 hours ago, Groucho Valentine said:

It wasnt bad advice. Its just not your advice. 

No you're still giving bad advice.  Heal thyself.

2 hours ago, Groucho Valentine said:

There is nothing commonsensical about prioritising long game over short game if your aim is to be a better player. Its ass backwards. 

Dude, you just won't give up.  Even the best players in the world from 10-20 yards only average getting up and down 67% of the time (190 players).  75% is the best from this distance on the tour.   And from the rough the best player on the tour gets up and down about 69% of the time and the average is about 57%.   None of us practice that often to be as good as these guys on a consistent basis.  And if you are,you must be the best short game guy ever.

It is just better to learn to hit the ball with the full swing to lower your score.  If it takes you 5 shots to get near a par 4 and then you're so good around the green that you get up and down for a 7.  It makes sense, to everyone but you, to get the ball closer to the green in fewer swings to improve your chances of lowering your score.  You still should practice the short game, but the full swing (long game) is far more important to lowering your score.   But then again you can knock an 8 or 9 iron inside of 20 feet all day from 150 yds, so you have that going for you as well.

 

Edited September 25, 2017 by jsgolfer