Donald Trump for president?

[Lihu]

1 hour ago, newtogolf said:

The fear is Trump becoming POTUS will create a grass roots movement to unseat all career politicians which works against the RNC, lobbyists and businesses that have career politicians in their pockets.  

"Desire"

[Elmer]

3 hours ago, nevets88 said:

Rachel Maddow's quick synopsis of the current situation.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/Rachel-Maddow-Describes-Election-Season-as-Christmas-on-Tonight-Show-370892781.html

Her overview of the 1968 convention when the Democrats forced in a nominee.

 

That was a great listen. Maddow is very intellegent and a politics geek. I find that she always looks at the roots of the issue and traces it back.
She certianly makes a more educated point than Bill "Falkland Island" O'Reilly or Hannity.

3 hours ago, Dave2512 said:

The republican anti Trump sentiment is proof the party is out of touch and broken. 

The republican party created the candidate that is Donald Drumpf. There was a base in the republican party who wanted the old guard out and replaced with new blood. However the tea partiers when elected turned out to be more than willing to join the pork training follow in step.
Rubio and Cruz simply could not paint themselves as "outsiders" while standing within the party.
Now that these "outsiders" have an candidate from "outside" the party, they cant stand him.
They send in the old "outsider" in Romney to tell you just how bad Trump is for the party. They are going to be taking a blow torch to the bridge, one which they cant come back from.

This is going to turn into the 2012 election again, where the question was do they want to win the election or loose but keep their soul! 

Edited March 3, 2016 by Elmer

[Dave2512]

That wasn't the beat down Romney was hoping for. Made Cruz and Rubio look like they need back-up more than anything. Nothing more than several minutes of irony.

[Jeremie Boop]

10 minutes ago, Elmer said:

That was a great listen. Maddow is very intellegent and a politics geek. I find that she always looks at the roots of the issue and traces it back.
She certianly makes a more educated point than Bill "Falkland Island" O'Reilly or Hannity.

The republican party created the candidate that is Donald Drumpf. There was a base in the republican party who wanted the old guard out and replaced with new blood. However the tea partiers when elected turned out to be more than willing to join the pork training follow in step.
Rubio and Cruz simply could not paint themselves as "outsiders" while standing within the party.
Now that these "outsiders" have an candidate from "outside" the party, they cant stand him.
They send in the old "outsider" in Romney to tell you just how bad Trump is for the party. They are going to be taking a blow torch to the bridge, one which they cant come back from.

This is going to turn into the 2012 election again, where the question was do they want to win the election or loose but keep their soul! 

You know, you could at least stop using Drumpf instead of Trump when taking part in this discussion. Making up a replacement last name and using it like you have is quite juvenile.

[Fourputt]

5 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

You know, you could at least stop using Drumpf instead of Trump when taking part in this discussion. Making up a replacement last name and using it like you have is quite juvenile.

Amen.  I just skip his posts as soon as I see it.

[Brian96]

7 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

You know, you could at least stop using Drumpf instead of Trump when taking part in this discussion. Making up a replacement last name and using it like you have is quite juvenile.

Its not exactly made up, it was in reference to the actual last name of an ancestor who changed if from Drumpf to Trump. John Oliver had a segment on his show about it, would suggest you check it out, actually pretty well done. just google John Oliver Donald Drumpf.

 

[Jeremie Boop]

Just now, Brian96 said:

Its not exactly made up, it was in reference to the actual last name of an ancestor who changed if from Drumpf to Trump. John Oliver had a segment on his show about it, would suggest you check it out, actually pretty well done. just google John Oliver Donald Drumpf.

 

Regardless, is it his last name? No, it's not. What does an ancestor's last name have to do with anything? Heck, go back in most people's lineage and you'll see changes in their names. It's not relevant to the discussion and there's no reason to use it over his actual last name.

[RandallT]

I'm cracking up watching Ashley Banfield speak in such respectful terms of the people on the right leveling criticisms against Trump. She's saying the establishment Republicans offer wisdom, experience, and that this will hold great sway. She was impressed that Romney quoted John Adams, and that should hold weight. Oh boy. She said Romney was "awesome," as in jaw-dropping and inspiring awe, not the generic way that young people would use it.

CNN regularly vilified Romney in 2012 as an extremist, and now they respect him such great respect as a wise statesman? 

My gut tells me that Romney's speech will go precisely nowhere. I only saw one clip, and my instant take was that Romney looked like a dud- with no ability to connect with the types of people who are pro-Trump. Trump will be able to swat him aside quite easily, and his supporters will dig in. It might even help Trump. 

(disclosure: I voted for Romney in 2012, or more accurately anti-Obama. I voted against Trump in VA for the primary recently, based strictly on who I thought would adhere more closely to the constitution).

It'll be interesting because there are some Republican factions here that I never realized were so large and distinct:

1. the establishment (GOPe): Romney and entrenched politicians/lobbyists/think tanks

2. conservatives further right of GOPe, who would rather be more faithful to the constitution than the establishment has been. 

3. the populists who don't give a darn about political theory. They like strength, common sense. They want a fighter, and they want radical change. If policies drift left in some cases, who cares. They just wanna tear down the way things have been going, because the GOPe has betrayed for years. Enough of standing on principle, since they've gotten nothing out of it.

The Romney speech is in camp 1, I think, and it won't dent either #2 or #3. Romney mostly just preached to the choir that already opposed Trump. Maybe it'll make people more likely to speak out. CNN thinks it might be an avalanche.

Chris Christie tried to start a cascade of people to shift to the third group, but that failed with a resounding thud. I suspect that this will get more play in the media, but will similarly fall flat.

I don't see the 3 factions above uniting on a candidate, and this could get ugly.

[Golfingdad]

20 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

Regardless, is it his last name? No, it's not. What does an ancestor's last name have to do with anything? Heck, go back in most people's lineage and you'll see changes in their names. It's not relevant to the discussion and there's no reason to use it over his actual last name.

If you saw the Oliver bit, the reason he brought it up is because Trump himself had recently criticized his buddy Jon Stewart for changing his name as well, so Trump invited that criticism upon himself.

[Jeremie Boop]

Just now, Golfingdad said:

If you saw the Oliver bit, the reason he brought it up is because Trump himself had recently criticized his buddy Jon Stewart for changing his name as well, so Trump invited that criticism upon himself.

That's a valid response in regards to the Oliver bit, it is not valid or pertinent to this discussion thread. Calling him by another name other than his actual name is not necessary.

[saevel25]

6 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

That's a valid response in regards to the Oliver bit, it is not valid or pertinent to this discussion thread. Calling him by another name other than his actual name is not necessary.

I think it is when Trump is willing to bash someone for changing their name when he himself changed his. Hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a presidential candidate.

[Lihu]

9 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I think it is when Trump is willing to bash someone for changing their name when he himself changed his. Hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a presidential candidate.

To be fair, his grandfather changed the name and just as it was his dad was the one that was somehow involved in the KKK riots back in the 1920s. Neither of those involved Donald.

[Elmer]

24 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

If you saw the Oliver bit, the reason he brought it up is because Trump himself had recently criticized his buddy Jon Stewart for changing his name as well, so Trump invited that criticism upon himself.

Trump can dish it out , but can not take it when the tables are turned. This is why I dont think he will be a good president. He has never been told "no", never had his berries kicked to the mud!
He deflects any defeat or minor set back.
How will that work with the joint chiefs? 

22 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

That's a valid response in regards to the Oliver bit, it is not valid or pertinent to this discussion thread. Calling him by another name other than his actual name is not necessary.

If you had watched the video I posted way back on page 98 or 99 you would know the reference.
Trump (happy now?) likes to "tell it like it is" unless he is wrong. And when he is wrong he pretends it did not happen.
Watch the first few minutes of the video, he calls out Stewart for denying his heritage by changing his name (he didnt change to deny heritage but as an FU to his estranged father), then trump denied doing it.
Trump promises he places are "the best", when it is not he blames someone else.
He says he never settles, he does. 
I think Trump has a real issue with truth and may be border line pathological when it comes to his truth telling!
Just look at how he has handled the Romney speech. Trumps comeback "why did he BEG me for an endorsement" 2012? 
He should know that is the game of politics.

Trump is selling a presidential run on his based on his Name being synonymous with success and greatness, but is it?  
Watch the video and let me know if points out some issues for the leading candidate for my Republican party.
if anything it compliments, Cruz & Rubio, if only slightly!

 

Edited March 3, 2016 by Elmer

[Braivo]

12 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

If you saw the Oliver bit, the reason he brought it up is because Trump himself had recently criticized his buddy Jon Stewart for changing his name as well, so Trump invited that criticism upon himself.

 

3 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I think it is when Trump is willing to bash someone for changing their name when he himself changed his. Hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a presidential candidate.

Jon Stewart changed his name, Donald Trump did not, his ancestors did, just like most of ours did as well somewhere along the way. 

For the RNC to run Romney out to attack Trump is weak at best, it will not matter one bit. Scared party insiders just don't know what to do with themselves right now, they still thing there's hope. At this point they need to decide if they want Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton for POTUS. No way Cruz wins the general election, he can't win swing states as an evangelical, never will happen. Trump is the only one that can take the moderate states, Rubio may have had a chance but he is done now. 

Consolidate on Trump or go brokered convention and hand it to Hillary. 

Watch for Trump to act very Presidential tonight in this FoxNews debate. He will sway a lot of voters by acting the part. 

Just now, Elmer said:

Trump can dish it out , but can not take it when the tables are turned. This is why I dont think he will be a good president. He has never been told "no", never had his berries kicked to the mud!
He deflects any defeat or minor set back.
How will that work with the joint chiefs? 

If you had watched the video I posted way back on page 98 or 99 you would know the reference.
Trump (happy now?) likes to "tell it like it is" unless he is wrong. And when he is wrong he pretends it did not happen.
Watch the first few minutes of the video, he calls out Stewart for denying his heritage by changing his name (he didnt), then trump denied doing it.
Trump promises he places are "the best", when it is not he blames someone else.
He says he never settles, he does. 
I think Trump has a real issue with truth and may be border line pathological when it comes to his truth telling!
Just look at how he has handled the Romney speech. Trumps comeback "why did he BEG me for an endorsement" 2012? 
He should know that is the game of politics.

 

I believe you just described every politician in America, nothing new here. You don't win races and have success by apologizing all over yourself. You highlight your victories, basic human nature. When you have a success at work you go for beers with colleagues. When you screw up big you hang low and hope it passes. 

Trump isn't wrong. All of these people who loved him 4 years ago are now afraid of him. Why? 

[Jeremie Boop]

9 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

I think it is when Trump is willing to bash someone for changing their name when he himself changed his. Hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a presidential candidate.

I could concede a mention of it would be acceptable, but to constantly use that name instead of his actual name is asinine. And "he, himself" didn't change his name from what was mentioned "it was in reference to the actual last name of an ancestor who changed if from Drumpf to Trump". I still haven't bothered to watch the clip though,so I'm just going by what another person indicated.

Just now, Elmer said:

If you had watched the video I posted way back on page 98 or 99 you would know the reference.
Trump (happy now?)

 

His name isn't Drumpf, doesn't matter where the reference comes from... And yes, I appreciate you using his actual name. I don't like it when people use a different name for Hillary, Sanders, or any other candidate. It dilutes the substance of what they/you are saying if you can't be bothered to use the person's actual name, but that's just my opinion.

[nevets88]

http://m.dw.com/en/what-donald-trump-learned-from-his-german-grandpa-friedrich-drumpf/a-18701551

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/02/468918065/republican-super-tuesday-turnout

 

 

[Elmer]

3 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

I could concede a mention of it would be acceptable, but to constantly use that name instead of his actual name is asinine. And "he, himself" didn't change his name from what was mentioned "it was in reference to the actual last name of an ancestor who changed if from Drumpf to Trump". I still haven't bothered to watch the clip though,so I'm just going by what another person indicated.

His name isn't Drumpf, doesn't matter where the reference comes from... And yes, I appreciate you using his actual name. I don't like it when people use a different name for Hillary, Sanders, or any other candidate. It dilutes the substance of what they/you are saying if you can't be bothered to use the person's actual name, but that's just my opinion.

@Jeremie Boop, I wish you would give the video a view. it is eye opening. It goes into his past business dealing (trump Steaks) and shows his pattern. Well worth the watch.

This happened many, many years ago, but ties into the "name changing" & "name Calling" debate between Stewart and Donald J Trump.
Is once again shows a scary pattern on the part of Trump. He picks this little squabbles and then follows it up by demaning the person he is arguing with.
I hope when he is president he does not do this with every reporter that doesnt paint him as "great" Trump has also indicate that if elected president he will ease up the laws regarding Libel Lawsuits. Trump has indicate he would sue people for libel if not for the current restrictions.

 

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-lashes-out-at-jon-stewart-for-revealing-hi-489657795

[iacas]

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

I think it is when Trump is willing to bash someone for changing their name when he himself changed his. Hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a presidential candidate.

If he didn't change his own name, then no, it's not really hypocritical.

I've never changed my last name, but my grandparents did. It used to be Barczjewszki or something like that.

54 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Jon Stewart changed his name, Donald Trump did not, his ancestors did, just like most of ours did as well somewhere along the way. 

Again, I don't care much about politics, but if Jon Stewart changed his name and Donald Trump did not, but had it changed for him by his ancestor, the two are not the same.

How important a point that is in a presidential election is another thing entirely.

38 minutes ago, Elmer said:

@Jeremie Boop, I wish you would give the video a view. it is eye opening. It goes into his past business dealing (trump Steaks) and shows his pattern. Well worth the watch.

I watched it. Oliver could have written something similar about any politician.

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If Trump didn't change his name, but an ancestor of his did, the "Drumpf" stuff can stop now.

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Mr. Oliver himself was careful to refer to a “prescient ancestor.” Indeed, several centuries have passed since Drumpf evolved into Trump, according to Gwenda Blair, who wrote a biography of Mr. Trump and his family. The Drumpf name appears in tax logs dating to about 1600, and the Trump name first appeared among his ancestors in Germany later that century, she said.

By the time Mr. Trump’s grandfather, Friedrich Trump, arrived in New York in 1885 at age 16 with a single suitcase and dreams of wealth, Trump was well-established as the family name, Ms. Blair said. In 1892, Friedrich Trump changed his name to Frederick Trump, a move toward Anglicization that was common among immigrants who hoped to accelerate their assimilation and fend off discrimination.

 

Okay, so, enough of that, please.