Donald Trump for president?

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Desmond said:

I could say the same about you for assuming too much.

I haven't assumed anything. I'm simply sharing my impression of your posts based on… your posts.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Desmond said:

I was voting before you were born.

Spare me the "I'm older and wiser and you have much to learn" stuff.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Desmond said:

You only know the GOP in its recent carnation. I was politically involved since 1965. I have perspective that you do not have. And I have no reason to say anything false.  I don't care what others think of me, and they should not care what I think of them.

I do not care, Jerry. I do not really care at all about politics. I do not even "know the GOP in its recent carnation [sic]." I don't really know the party at all.

I do know, based not on assumption but having skimmed these topics for years, that you'd have Obama's babies if you could, and the man can do no wrong. (Not really, but close - you're anything but unbiased.)

You were re-admitted to the site and promised to stay out of the political threads. You've failed spectacularly to do so.

And spare yourself the victim act of "but it's your site." You and @Gunther post in political threads like two (opposite) sides of the same coin.

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Again, I don't go on a Pepsi forum to talk about how crappy Pepsi is.

Start a thread on democratic candidates - from what little I read you have either a crazy old man or a female criminal - to vote for over there. And that's not inflammatory, it's just "my observations."

[iacas]

Also, this is mostly off topic, so I'm done now.

I've also exhausted how much I care.

[Braivo]

2 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

Not 100% true in my case. I was of a mind to support Rubio early on. He convinced me otherwise in these debates. Being from Ohio, Kasich is a known quantity, but the debates have reassured me a little on him.  I also decided that I might have been able to tolerate Christie (not that it matters now).

 

 

2 hours ago, Dave2512 said:

Not my experience, I don't know one person who has decided who or how they will vote. Discussions with friends and relatives concerning the debates have been very interesting lately.

Interestingly, Trump's voters are much more loyal than the other candidates. Very few of his supporters drop for another candidate. Kasich and Carson are fringe at best now. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-voters-are-loyal-to-donald-trump/

2 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Not entirely sure about that. 

Exit Polls from New Hampshire. 

When did you decide whom to vote for?
Just Today: 23%
In the last few days: 25%
Sometimes Last Week: 6%
In the last Month: 17%

58% of the people decided with in a few days of voting in the primary. 

89% of voters said the recent debate was a factor in their vote. 

No, people have not made up their minds. 

Also, what these stats on NH show is that the late breaking voters went mostly for Trump. If people bash Trump for his debate performances, and 89% factor this in, and then he wins by 20 points, what does this say? The mainstream media pundits are consistently wrong about Trump, they have been wrong for 6 months.  

[Dave2512]

47 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

  I know I don't want another Bush or Clinton in office.

But why? I know they are more of the same but at this point it seems a safer bet than taking a flier on someone like Trump. Not implying you support DT just a comment. Jeb has been making sensible points in and out of the debates but seems to be burdened by his brother's baggage. Besides HC, JB or possibly JK everyone else seems like a high risk candidate, either too extreme or horribly inexperienced.

My hope is the posturing settles down as the field narrows. It's a shame someone like Paul couldn't gain enough momentum to hang in there until we get some meaningful debates. Though it may be a thing of the past. In the modern era it all about digging up dirt on the competition. And those that are avoiding it are getting overshadowed by the "show".

 

[Lihu]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Start a thread on democratic candidates - from what little I read you have either a crazy old man or a female criminal - to vote for over there. And that's not inflammatory, it's just "my observations."

Ditto. . .

[mcanadiens]

53 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Interestingly, Trump's voters are much more loyal than the other candidates. Very few of his supporters drop for another candidate. Kasich and Carson are fringe at best now. 

Stand by your man,
Give him two arms to cling to,
And something warm to come to
When nights are cold and lonely

Sorry. Couldn't help it. It's just popped in there.

[newtogolf]

1 hour ago, Dave2512 said:

But why? I know they are more of the same but at this point it seems a safer bet than taking a flier on someone like Trump. Not implying you support DT just a comment. Jeb has been making sensible points in and out of the debates but seems to be burdened by his brother's baggage. Besides HC, JB or possibly JK everyone else seems like a high risk candidate, either too extreme or horribly inexperienced.

My hope is the posturing settles down as the field narrows. It's a shame someone like Paul couldn't gain enough momentum to hang in there until we get some meaningful debates. Though it may be a thing of the past. In the modern era it all about digging up dirt on the competition. And those that are avoiding it are getting overshadowed by the "show".

 

Clinton should be in jail given her e-mail server issues are not much different than what General Patraeus was indicted for.  Hillary is a bigger liar and cheat than Bill ever was, so I have no trust in her whatsoever.  She frankly comes off as someone who thinks she's entitled to be POTUS because she's a woman.  

As for Jeb, I know he's a different person from GW, but he's cut from the same cloth.  He can't hold his own in a debate, how is he going to gain the respect of leaders from other countries when things get tense.   

Fortunately there's still time.  Kasich has potential if he stops rambling about his dad and what he did in Ohio and talks more about what he'd do as POTUS.  I'm also holding out hope that Trump can turn the corner from a television personality to someone who actually can act as POTUS.  

[Braivo]

1 hour ago, Dave2512 said:

But why? I know they are more of the same but at this point it seems a safer bet than taking a flier on someone like Trump. Not implying you support DT just a comment. Jeb has been making sensible points in and out of the debates but seems to be burdened by his brother's baggage. Besides HC, JB or possibly JK everyone else seems like a high risk candidate, either too extreme or horribly inexperienced.

What have "low-risk" candidates gotten us? Foreign wars, $13T in debt, decimated middle class, unchecked illegal immigration?

I'm willing to take the risk on DT because he is the only candidate willing to admit that these problems even exist. 

5 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

I'm also holding out hope that Trump can turn the corner from a television personality to someone who actually can act as POTUS.  

He appears to be the most Presidential of all candidates so far. He stands strong in the face of conflict and calls others out on their lies. Who else on that stage would hold ground in a meeting with Putin? 

[Golfingdad]

I presume this is just a threat, but ... https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-floats-idea-third-party-run-again-185012463--abc-news-topstories.html#

[Braivo]

6 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

I presume this is just a threat, but ... https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-floats-idea-third-party-run-again-185012463--abc-news-topstories.html#

The media loves to turn his words. He never threatened to run a third party campaign, he simply said "The pledge isn’t being honored by the RNC." 

That is nowhere close to the sensationalist headline of "floating the idea".

That being said, it does leave a sliver of a window open if he were to decide to do so. I agree with him, the RNC is actively trying to undermine his campaign, why would he honor a pledge to them? 

[Ernest Jones]

2 hours ago, newtogolf said:

Clinton should be in jail given her e-mail server issues are not much different than what General Patraeus was indicted for.  Hillary is a bigger liar and cheat than Bill ever was, so I have no trust in her whatsoever.  She frankly comes off as someone who thinks she's entitled to be POTUS because she's a woman.  

As for Jeb, I know he's a different person from GW, but he's cut from the same cloth.  He can't hold his own in a debate, how is he going to gain the respect of leaders from other countries when things get tense.   

Fortunately there's still time.  Kasich has potential if he stops rambling about his dad and what he did in Ohio and talks more about what he'd do as POTUS.  I'm also holding out hope that Trump can turn the corner from a television personality to someone who actually can act as POTUS.  

How do see these as the same, and how do they differ?

[newtogolf]

34 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

How do see these as the same, and how do they differ?

They both mishandled classified information.  

[Lihu]

3 hours ago, Braivo said:

He appears to be the most Presidential of all candidates so far. He stands strong in the face of conflict and calls others out on their lies. Who else on that stage would hold ground in a meeting with Putin? 

Somehow, I feel the same way. We don't want someone who's "political". We don't want career politicians who are in the pocket of the elite rich and needs to juggle priorities to avoid "hurting" any of them.

The only flaw I see in his personality profile is possible bigotry. However, even if he is a bigot he's likely someone who would be fair because he wants the best people to do a job. He's open and honest about everything in his life. We can look at his personality from a variety of sources. From my own personal experience, I've had more promotions and pay raises from openly bigoted bosses than the "liberal" ones. I also don't think Hilary Clinton, Bernie Sanders or any of the other career politicians are any less bigoted than Trump appears to be to the public, they are simply better at keeping it secret.

Trump looks like the best candidate to me because he is expressing what he believes in and it's in line with what seems to be the best for our country. He's got a current vested interest to see America be great again so his net worth will maintain it's value rather than go down the dumps where all the career politicians are pushing it. I really believe that he is running to make America great again.

Everyone wants to see prosperity except the "old rich" who would prefer to see America go down the tubes so they can have virtual slave labor. The argument to make minimum wage higher is specific to keeping the masses placated with a "minimal increase" in their household budgets. What we should be doing is helping all the people want to aspire to more than that, and make them work hard to improve their position in life rather than just "keeping up" with inflation. Trump embodies the more traditional Republican views and not ones that are in the pocket of the elite rich like the career politicians.

[newtogolf]

49 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Somehow, I feel the same way. We don't want someone who's "political". We don't want career politicians who are in the pocket of the elite rich and needs to juggle priorities to avoid "hurting" any of them.

The only flaw I see in his personality profile is possible bigotry. However, even if he is a bigot he's likely someone who would be fair because he wants the best people to do a job. He's open and honest about everything in his life. We can look at his personality from a variety of sources. From my own personal experience, I've had more promotions and pay raises from openly bigoted bosses than the "liberal" ones. I also don't think Hilary Clinton, Bernie Sanders or any of the other career politicians are any less bigoted than Trump appears to be to the public, they are simply better at keeping it secret.

Trump looks like the best candidate to me because he is expressing what he believes in and it's in line with what seems to be the best for our country. He's got a current vested interest to see America be great again so his net worth will maintain it's value rather than go down the dumps where all the career politicians are pushing it. I really believe that he is running to make America great again.

Everyone wants to see prosperity except the "old rich" who would prefer to see America go down the tubes so they can have virtual slave labor. The argument to make minimum wage higher is specific to keeping the masses placated with a "minimal increase" in their household budgets. What we should be doing is helping all the people want to aspire to more than that, and make them work hard to improve their position in life rather than just "keeping up" with inflation. Trump embodies the more traditional Republican views and not ones that are in the pocket of the elite rich like the career politicians.

The problem I have with Trump is I don't trust he's not a closet democrat posing as a conservative to win the election or to do something shady to help Hillary win.  

I know Reagan changed but it was over a longer period of time.  Some of the areas Trump has done a 180 on are significant like planned parenthood, Obama Care and gun control.  

You don't typically change your views on issues like gun ownership and abortion unless you've had a life changing experience, which to my knowledge he hasn't.  If he has changed and is truly a conservative then he'd be near the top of my list.    

[Ernest Jones]

14 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

The problem I have with Trump is I don't trust he's not a closet democrat posing as a conservative to win the election or to do something shady to help Hillary win.  

I know Reagan changed but it was over a longer period of time.  Some of the areas Trump has done a 180 on are significant like planned parenthood, Obama Care and gun control.  

You don't typically change your views on issues like gun ownership and abortion unless you've had a life changing experience, which to my knowledge he hasn't.  If he has changed and is truly a conservative then he'd be near the top of my list.    

Lol. You mean like when Luke Skywalker dressed up as a Stormtrooper to save Leia from the Deathstar? 

Ha ha ha. 

 

 

 

 

PS: Reagan was a colossal douche bag. 

 

[Lihu]

40 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

The problem I have with Trump is I don't trust he's not a closet democrat posing as a conservative to win the election or to do something shady to help Hillary win. . . If he has changed and is truly a conservative then he'd be near the top of my list.    

He's a moderate, the definition of which is that he really is indistinguishable from a conservative Democrat. There are no conservative Democrats right now because they are all running as Republicans.

What makes Trump different than everyone else is that I trust that he will do what is good for business and economic prosperity all around.

We can fight abortion and gun control on our own, but we all need a strong economy.

[Dave2512]

1 hour ago, newtogolf said:

The problem I have with Trump is I don't trust he's not a closet democrat posing as a conservative to win the election or to do something shady to help Hillary win.  

I know Reagan changed but it was over a longer period of time.  Some of the areas Trump has done a 180 on are significant like planned parenthood, Obama Care and gun control.  

You don't typically change your views on issues like gun ownership and abortion unless you've had a life changing experience, which to my knowledge he hasn't.  If he has changed and is truly a conservative then he'd be near the top of my list.    

They all flip flop. 

[Elmer]

On 2/12/2016 at 1:39 PM, saevel25 said:

Imagine if one of the candidates started something like that in a debate. "Not the greatest country in the world." That would be epic to see the looks on the faces of the moderator and the other candidates. 

They essentially do say we are not "great" when they say we are going to make "America Great Again".
I agree there are some problems, but we are not going to Heck in a Hand basket as most of them would lead you to believe.

Maybe I function on a different level of society, but the price of gas is down, people are employed and that is a better place than 2008.
You want to complain about Education-stop allowing the Texas board of ed to dictate to book manufactures about dinosaurs and "intelligent design".

No great society ever got better by going backward!
So when Trump wants to make us "great Again" is that when we had a class system? When the upper class was not held accountable?
When banks ran wild?
Back when we would only accept immigrants from northern Europe!