Presidential Race 2016

[Chilli Dipper]

10 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Like I said before, Trump does not answer to the GOP. They continue to try to use their old tactics of being apologetic and he wants none of it. 

That's not the GOP trying to limit the damage; those are Donald Trump's hand-picked advisors! His answer to every question about how he would address this issue and that issue is, "I'll hire all the best people to work on it." If these are the best people he's found to get him elected President, and he not only does not follow their advice, but undermines and devalues their work, how can Trump be expected to let the "best people" do the job he's asked them to do when he's in office?

[Elmer]

26 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I do not agree with either of these bolded statements. Men and women have different struggles, neither can be compared to the other. Also, comparing men to women in the workplace, including wage equality, is difficult and the disparity doesn't exist IMO. If you factor in hours worked most of the disparity vanishes anyway. 

Like I said before, Trump does not answer to the GOP. They continue to try to use their old tactics of being apologetic and he wants none of it. 

I would say that Men have had far fewer struggles over the last 250 years. Remember women have only been able to vote for less than 100 years?

Trump does not answer to anyone. While many of his supporters will find that refreshing, he is not even listening to his campaign staff. While he insists on surrounding himself with the "best people", such as his campaign manager, he over-rides the campaigns memos & talking points on a moments notice.

Once again what will he do in a time of crisis? Listen to the Chief of Staff? Listen to the Joint Chiefs? Listen to the Secretary of State?
Or is he going to go out an publicly make a factually false statement further worsening the situation? 

[iacas]

53 minutes ago, Elmer said:

I would say that Men have had far fewer struggles over the last 250 years. Remember women have only been able to vote for less than 100 years?

What does women not being able to vote in 1916 have to do with women today?

Seriously.

The lengths to which people (on all sides) will stretch things to justify their statements is astounding. That's what politics does…

[Braivo]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

I would say that Men have had far fewer struggles over the last 250 years. Remember women have only been able to vote for less than 100 years?

You and I define struggle much differently. 

This is an excellent speech by Donald Trump. For those that say he can't be "Presidential" I urge you to watch this in its entirety without judgement. 

 

[Elmer]

18 minutes ago, Braivo said:

You and I define struggle much differently. 

 

 

To borrow a line and paraphrase Louis C.K., white people can use a time machine and go back in time to any era and have it pretty good.
This holds true for white men.
Women could not vote before 1919!
How many women signed the Declaration of Independence? How many women were in the Continental Congress? 
The 1st women Representative in the House was 1916.

Granted there is a history of the struggles of the working class male, and can be compared to property owners and upper class.
But through out history, being a male gave you a leg up. White Male more so!

So dont try playing the "men have struggled too" card, my history degree will not allow it!
Like Hillary or not this is historic for a women to be in this position.
Much like Obama 8 years before.

And I watched the speech, It was one of his better ones. But most likely because he did not go off script! 

[Gunther]

20 minutes ago, Elmer said:

To borrow a line and paraphrase Louis C.K., white people can use a time machine and go back in time to any era and have it pretty good.
This holds true for white men.
Women could not vote before 1919!
How many women signed the Declaration of Independence? How many women were in the Continental Congress? 
The 1st women Representative in the House was 1916.

Granted there is a history of the struggles of the working class male, and can be compared to property owners and upper class.
But through out history, being a male gave you a leg up. White Male more so!

So dont try playing the "men have struggled too" card, my history degree will not allow it!
Like Hillary or not this is historic for a women to be in this position.
Much like Obama 8 years before.

And I watched the speech, It was one of his better ones. But most likely because he did not go off script! 

None of that claptrap matters today.  Conservative women do not care about this, they care about the opportunities they and their kids have today.  Similarly, conservative blacks know that their ancestors' struggles made them what they are today and do not dwell on history they and no one they know had any part in.  They are busy succeeding in the here and now.  Has human society developed mostly in a positive way?  For sure, and that's a good thing.

All that historical struggle BS is just a mechanism by which liberals can continue the narrative that they are victims.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

Women could not vote before 1919!

What the heck does that have to do with 2016? Nothing.

[WilsonWedgeMan]

I can remember all campaigns from 1964 on.....nothing really has changed in the way the sides go at each other for votes, and neither has the negativity changed from each candidate towards the other.  The news outlets have always spun their own agendas into campaigns, so that is nothing new,either. What IS new is the total weight of American debt this nation is under, with no hope of ever getting out fro under it. That's bad news for whomever wins the election, as neither can stop what's coming. So I look at this election like this: who REALLY cares who's sitting in the Captains chair while the USA-Titanic sinks???? hmmm? for you see, the iceberg has already been hit..the damage is done...the best economists in this nation have already said we're going under.....fighting for the head seat at the table is a moot point........I think it's time to play another round,might as well enjoy the trip.

[Gunther]

45 minutes ago, WilsonWedgeMan said:

I can remember all campaigns from 1964 on.....nothing really has changed in the way the sides go at each other for votes, and neither has the negativity changed from each candidate towards the other.  The news outlets have always spun their own agendas into campaigns, so that is nothing new,either. What IS new is the total weight of American debt this nation is under, with no hope of ever getting out fro under it. That's bad news for whomever wins the election, as neither can stop what's coming. So I look at this election like this: who REALLY cares who's sitting in the Captains chair while the USA-Titanic sinks???? hmmm? for you see, the iceberg has already been hit..the damage is done...the best economists in this nation have already said we're going under.....fighting for the head seat at the table is a moot point........I think it's time to play another round,might as well enjoy the trip.

Haha, good post.  We are in trouble, to be sure.

[Golfingdad]

This is just for fun for my friend @newtogolf because I think it will make his head explode:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy

[saevel25]

8 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

This is just for fun for my friend @newtogolf because I think it will make his head explode:

Nice find 

[newtogolf]

2 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

This is just for fun for my friend @newtogolf because I think it will make his head explode:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy

When you come back to NY for the holidays I'd like to show you this bridge I'm selling.  

[Golfingdad]

54 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

When you come back to NY for the holidays I'd like to show you this bridge I'm selling.  

Chris Christie already has that base covered. ;)

[jamo]

11 hours ago, Braivo said:

You and I define struggle much differently. 

This is an excellent speech by Donald Trump. For those that say he can't be "Presidential" I urge you to watch this in its entirety without judgement. 

 

He would definitely be the first president to say the ... word, I guess we'll call it, "bigly."

I honestly can't believe i made it through all 15 minutes of that. When he reads off the prompter he sounds, well, he sounds like he's reciting a speech. He stops and starts at odd times, he doesn't know what to do with his hands (because he's strictly reciting a speech not in his own voice*), and he interrupts himself. It's robotic, awkward, and I don't sense a moment of sincerity.

Then he starts ad-libbing, and his vernacular reverts to that of a middle schooler. 

*Watch what he does when he says to Sanders supporters "we'll accept you with open arms." If he were actually processing those words as he said them, he'd open his arms to match what he's saying. But instead he's just reciting the words as they're written, and so he just does that little finger waving thing he always says. 

Just my thoughts. 

[Chilli Dipper]

18 minutes ago, jamo said:

He would definitely be the first president to say the ... word, I guess we'll call it, "bigly."

I honestly can't believe i made it through all 15 minutes of that. When he reads off the prompter he sounds, well, he sounds like he's reciting a speech. He stops and starts at odd times, he doesn't know what to do with his hands (because he's strictly reciting a speech not in his own voice*), and he interrupts himself. It's robotic, awkward, and I don't sense a moment of sincerity.

Then he starts ad-libbing, and his vernacular reverts to that of a middle schooler. 

*Watch what he does when he says to Sanders supporters "we'll accept you with open arms." If he were actually processing those words as he said them, he'd open his arms to match what he's saying. But instead he's just reciting the words as they're written, and so he just does that little finger waving thing he always says. 

Just my thoughts. 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I prefer the Trump who rambles on with no filter.

[Dave2512]

Same,  the prompter Trump is a creepy combo of withered Max Headroom and his family posing behind him like Robert Palmer mannequins. If that was a speech all I heard was the slapping of the GOP ruler on his knuckles. 

[Gunther]

13 hours ago, Braivo said:

This is an excellent speech by Donald Trump. For those that say he can't be "Presidential" I urge you to watch this in its entirety without judgement. 

 

Haha, I know you didn't expect much love from this lot.  I thought he did fine.  He's much better extemporaneously, however, which is a skill more indicative of his intelligence.  You ever heard Obama off a prompter?  Horror show.

The prompter is a necessity these days, he's adjusting and will improve.

[Ernest Jones]

19 hours ago, Braivo said:

You and I define struggle much differently. 

This is an excellent speech by Donald Trump. For those that say he can't be "Presidential" I urge you to watch this in its entirety without judgement. 

 

 

7 hours ago, jamo said:

He would definitely be the first president to say the ... word, I guess we'll call it, "bigly."

I honestly can't believe i made it through all 15 minutes of that. When he reads off the prompter he sounds, well, he sounds like he's reciting a speech. He stops and starts at odd times, he doesn't know what to do with his hands (because he's strictly reciting a speech not in his own voice*), and he interrupts himself. It's robotic, awkward, and I don't sense a moment of sincerity.

Then he starts ad-libbing, and his vernacular reverts to that of a middle schooler. 

*Watch what he does when he says to Sanders supporters "we'll accept you with open arms." If he were actually processing those words as he said them, he'd open his arms to match what he's saying. But instead he's just reciting the words as they're written, and so he just does that little finger waving thing he always says. 

Just my thoughts. 

 

7 hours ago, Chilli Dipper said:

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I prefer the Trump who rambles on with no filter.

 

6 hours ago, Dave2512 said:

Same,  the prompter Trump is a creepy combo of withered Max Headroom and his family posing behind him like Robert Palmer mannequins. If that was a speech all I heard was the slapping of the GOP ruler on his knuckles. 

And the survey says...nope, still an ass clown.