2016 Players Championship Discussion Thread

[colin007]

1 hour ago, Lastpick said:

I watched a segment on the Golf Channel today, and the guy in the know said that the greens got away from the tournament committee.  They were trying to get the greens to roll at 13, but due to low humidity and a little wind, the greens were faster.  I don't care for a tournament condition that is in my opinion unfair.  I was surprised that the players had such a difficult time adjusting to the green speed.  I will say that the disaster that befell Sergio Garcia is on him alone.  Why keep hitting the putt five feet past the hole.  Great viewing though, but the greens are putting players at a disadvantage at times.

Conditions change from day to day. How is that unfair? Everyone plays the same course. You say it's unfair and then immediately after say that they didn't adjust - which is it?

[Fourputt]

28 minutes ago, colin007 said:

Conditions change from day to day. How is that unfair? Everyone plays the same course. You say it's unfair and then immediately after say that they didn't adjust - which is it?

Agree.  If the best in the world can't make needed adjustments, then how are we ordinary mortals supposed to do so?  I enjoyed watching them yesterday, and I was able to identify with them more than I usually can.  I was agonizing right along with them, and really loved watching the ones who were able to suck it up and make some plays despite the difficult greens.  Day's par on 15 was about as miraculous as anything I say the entire day.  His stretch from 6 thru 9 was a great grind too, going double-birdie-double-birdie.  That could have been his Waterloo but he gritted his teeth and held on to go bogie free on the back.

[ChrisP]

15 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Still today was a bit crazy. Not sure much they could have done when you get dew points in the 40's in Florida! 

I would have like today and tomorrow be between yesterday and today. 

If these players thought yesterday was bad, just wait til they get to Oakmont. I threw in my tape from 2007 and watched some of the 2nd and 3rd rounds and what you saw yesterday at TPC is nothing compared to what could transpire at Oakmont next month. I saw Mickelson barely tap a putt from 50 feet away that went past the hole and then off the green on the par-5 9th.

 

 

 

[saevel25]

8 minutes ago, ChrisP said:

If these players thought yesterday was bad, just wait til they get to Oakmont. 

Guess what, this tournament isn't the US Open. 

 

[ChrisP]

21 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Guess what, this tournament isn't the US Open. 

 

But it supposed to be the "5th major" and a challenge. They should expect anything. I agree the greens were prolly a bit over the top but some of the comments I heard from players about it being out of control made me laugh. They obviously didn't play Muirfield in 2013, either. Those greens were insane.

[saevel25]

31 minutes ago, ChrisP said:

But it supposed to be the "5th major" and a challenge. 

That is a pipe dream from the PGA. It's not the 5th major. It doesn't have the history, it barely has the prestige, and it's on a strange course. 

This is the first time ever I have seen them let the course get that tough. It was really a lapse in judgement for the PGA to do so. 

33 minutes ago, ChrisP said:

 I agree the greens were prolly a bit over the top but some of the comments I heard from players about it being out of control made me laugh.

It was probably a combination of typical saturday pin placements that should probably not be the pin placements you'd want when the greens run that fast. 

 

[Natural Patrick]

I wonder how far the final pairing will fall behind the group in front of them today? Matsuyama is painfully slow, and Days routine is becoming tiresome as well.

[nevets88]

Much harder to match Day and Matsuyama than McIlroy.

 

[dchoye]

On 17th island hole I saw some players hit the green and then roll off into the water then saw them go to the drop zone. Why isn't it a drop where the ball went into the water which is on the green?

[saevel25]

15 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

Much harder to match Day and Matsuyama than McIlroy.

That's cool. 

12 minutes ago, dchoye said:

On 17th island hole I saw some players hit the green and then roll off into the water then saw them go to the drop zone. Why isn't it a drop where the ball went into the water which is on the green?

As you can see the yellow paint is right on the edge of rough, next to the planks. 

Since it is a yellow marking then the drop options you have are the following. 

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26-1. Relief for Ball in Water Hazard

It is a question of fact whether a ball that has not been found after having been struck toward a water hazard is in the hazard. In the absence of knowledge or virtual certainty that a ball struck toward a water hazard, but not found, is in the hazard, the player must proceed under Rule 27-1.

If a ball is found in a water hazard or if it is known or virtually certain that a ball that has not been found is in the water hazard (whether the ball lies in water or not), the player may under penalty of one stroke:

a. Proceed under the stroke and distance provision of Rule 27-1 by playing a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5); or

b. Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the water hazard the ball may be dropped; or

c. As additional options available only if the ball last crossed the margin of a lateral water hazard, drop a ball outside the water hazard within two club-lengths of and not nearer the hole than (i) the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard or (ii) a point on the opposite margin of thewater hazard equidistant from the hole.

Or they also get the option of the drop zone. 

[Chilli Dipper]

4 minutes ago, dchoye said:

On 17th island hole I saw some players hit the green and then roll off into the water then saw them go to the drop zone. Why isn't it a drop where the ball went into the water which is on the green?

The island is round, so there's typically no place to drop within two clublengths of the margin that isn't closer to the hole. The only times you usually see players drop is when the ball crosses the hazard near the walkway onto the island.

The rules would also allow line-of-sight relief from behind the green, but that means a downhill lie off the spectator mounds. The drop zone is a local rule; it makes things easier for the players most of the time.

[taxgolf]

can you play any slower than mr day does?? C'mon. 

[Hardspoon]

1 hour ago, Chilli Dipper said:

The island is round, so there's typically no place to drop within two clublengths of the margin that isn't closer to the hole.

Even though the green is round, you'd be able to drop away from the flag along the boundary.

It just isn't an option since it isn't marked as a lateral hazard.

[Chilli Dipper]

JD needs water balls on every hole remaining to mess this up. 

[jamo]

When Day was running after that putt on 17, I think he was running to get in a better spot to watch the ball break around the hole to prepare for his comebacker, not because he thought he'd made it.

[Natural Patrick]

8 minutes ago, jamo said:

When Day was running after that putt on 17, I think he was running to get in a better spot to watch the ball break around the hole to prepare for his comebacker, not because he thought he'd made it.

I don't think so. What makes a putt for par so crucial with a 5 shot lead with one hole to play?

[saevel25]

6 minutes ago, Natural Patrick said:

I don't think so. What makes a putt for par so crucial with a 5 shot lead with one hole to play?

Loss of momentum, then a drive in the water on 18 and things get interesting. You don't take any shot for granted out there. 

[Natural Patrick]

2 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Loss of momentum, then a drive in the water on 18 and things get interesting. You don't take any shot for granted out there. 

A 5 shot lead with one hole to play and a bogey is loss of momentum, uh ok. If that was the case he should have ran after all of his puts on the back 9, lol.