Kaepernick Sits for National Anthem

[Bo the Golfer]

12 hours ago, Strandly said:

They didn't collude to keep him out of the league, unless you consider refusing to hire someone who is extremely bad for business collusion.  The guy is a tool bag of the highest order and got what was coming to him imo.

If they NFL thought they were right no way the settle this. They go to the ends of the earth to try and be right no matter how ridiculous. Just ask Tom Brady.

[klineka]

12 hours ago, Strandly said:

The guy is a tool bag of the highest order and got what was coming to him imo.

Well he got a rumored $60-80 million settlement, so yeah you're right he did get what was coming to him.

 

[Swooshgolf]

12 minutes ago, klineka said:

Well he got a rumored $60-80 million settlement, so yeah you're right he did get what was coming to him.

 

😂😂😂😂

[Strandly]

3 hours ago, klineka said:

Well he got a rumored $60-80 million settlement, so yeah you're right he did get what was coming to him.

 

Compared to a nice long career?  Plus, when he had the chance to stand behind his word he took the money and ran.  I don't know what the price of a reputation is but it's clearly less than whatever the NFL paid him.

[DeadMan]

He's also got a bumper Nike deal, so he's making out pretty well. The NFL turned him into a very well paid martyr.

I think he'll probably put this money to pretty good use, considering his charitable activities in the past.

[klineka]

1 hour ago, Strandly said:

Compared to a nice long career?  Plus, when he had the chance to stand behind his word he took the money and ran.  I don't know what the price of a reputation is but it's clearly less than whatever the NFL paid him.

You're just assuming that he would have had a nice long career. He just as easily could have had a rough short career with a couple concussions and broken bones and never have made anything close to $60-80 million. 

I bet if you offered current NFL players the choice to continue their career or take $60-80 million and retire, over half of the current NFL players would retire. It's fairly common knowledge that a lot of NFL players don't particularly enjoy the physical toll football takes on their bodies and the long term affects it has on their brains.

He also didnt just take the money and run. Like @DeadMan said, he also has a deal with Nike and will likely continue to do charitable acts. I highly doubt he will just be sitting on an island for the rest of his life and forget about everything that he knelt for.

[Pretzel]

20 minutes ago, klineka said:

I bet if you offered current NFL players the choice to continue their career or take $60-80 million and retire, over half of the current NFL players would retire. It's fairly common knowledge that a lot of NFL players don't particularly enjoy the physical toll football takes on their bodies and the long term affects it has on their brains.

The only players who would refuse are big name players like Patrick Mahomes who are young enough to have a long career ahead of them and paid enough that the $60-80 million would be less than they could make from contracts and building their own brand. I would wager that 75% of the league would take that offer, at a minimum. Even players like Drew Brees would probably take it, since he's at the tail end of his career already and it's more than he stands to gain from his contract.

You'd have more of the high paying position players stay since they earn enough to make up for the instant cash in the length of a single contract, but players like fullbacks, kickers, punters, long snappers, tackles, and centers would all be lining up in droves to take the money and run, especially if they didn't have lucrative endorsement deals lined up (and most players of those positions don't get the big deals from companies).

[Swooshgolf]

1 hour ago, Strandly said:

Compared to a nice long career?  Plus, when he had the chance to stand behind his word he took the money and ran.  I don't know what the price of a reputation is but it's clearly less than whatever the NFL paid him.

I think taking the money is a win for him and doesn't change how the people that agreed with him feel. So that being said I don't think he will care what the people that don't agree with him think about him.

[Slowcelica]

I personally feel like they have every right to kneel if they want, but with that being said you are disrespecting something and the people who fight for your freedom's to protest something. He should have and could have found a much better way of getting his "cause" out there without disrespecting the flag, anthem and men and women of the the armed forces, etc... I wish the NFL would have let him take them to court instead of settling.

[klineka]

Just now, Slowcelica said:

I personally feel like they have every right to kneel if they want, but with that being said you are disrespecting something and the people who fight for your freedom's to protest something. He should have and could have found a much better way of getting his "cause" out there without disrespecting the flag, anthem and men and women of the the armed forces, etc... 

You do realize that the person who influenced Kaepernick to kneel was an Army Special Forces veteran, right?

Doesn't sound like he's disrespecting the flag, anthem and men and women of the armed forces to me

[Slowcelica]

6 hours ago, klineka said:

You do realize that the person who influenced Kaepernick to kneel was an Army Special Forces veteran, right?

Doesn't sound like he's disrespecting the flag, anthem and men and women of the armed forces to me

Perception is everything, and by kneeling during the national anthem it's a sign of disrespect, I'm just saying he could have and should have picked a more appropriate way of voicing his protest, instead of advancing his cause he just drew attention away from it and put it on whether anyone agrees on whether he should kneel or not.

[iacas]

18 minutes ago, Slowcelica said:

Perception is everything, and by kneeling during the national anthem it's a sign of disrespect, I'm just saying he could have and should have picked a more appropriate way of voicing his protest, instead of advancing his cause he just drew attention away from it and put it on whether anyone agrees on whether he should kneel or not.

I don't think kneeling was inappropriate or disrespectful. Nor do a lot of people.

FFS, it's kneeling.

[klineka]

9 minutes ago, Slowcelica said:

Perception is everything, and by kneeling during the national anthem it's a sign of disrespect

Perception is often different than reality. 

You are perceiving his actions to be a sign of disrespect but they weren't.

How is kneeling during the national anthem a sign of disrespect but soldiers kneeling in front of their fallen brother's grave a sign of respect? People kneel all the time when they pray (across numerous religions) and that's not viewed as disrespectful. Heck even back in like medieval days people used to kneel before kings and queens to show respect. 

15 minutes ago, Slowcelica said:

I'm just saying he could have and should have picked a more appropriate way of voicing his protest

There have been many instances where police officers could have and should have picked a more appropriate way of handling situations too but that didnt happen either. 

Since you think kneeling during the national anthem was not the appropriate way of voicing his protest, what, in your mind, would have been appropriate?

[Slowcelica]

19 minutes ago, klineka said:

Perception is often different than reality. 

You are perceiving his actions to be a sign of disrespect but they weren't.

How is kneeling during the national anthem a sign of disrespect but soldiers kneeling in front of their fallen brother's grave a sign of respect? People kneel all the time when they pray (across numerous religions) and that's not viewed as disrespectful. Heck even back in like medieval days people used to kneel before kings and queens to show respect. 

There have been many instances where police officers could have and should have picked a more appropriate way of handling situations too but that didnt happen either. 

Since you think kneeling during the national anthem was not the appropriate way of voicing his protest, what, in your mind, would have been appropriate?

Again he’s entitled to kneel if he wants, just like I can feel it’s inappropriate and disrespectful. Lots of people are ok with it, lots are not.  Instead of drawing negative attention to your cause, do something positive about it, at the end of the day what good did kneeling do for his cause?

[ncates00]

7 minutes ago, Slowcelica said:

Again he’s entitled to kneel if he wants, just like I can feel it’s inappropriate and disrespectful. Lots of people are ok with it, lots are not.  Instead of drawing negative attention to your cause, do something positive about it, at the end of the day what good did kneeling do for his cause?

No mean spirit here at all; what do you think he should have done instead that would have a) grabbed as much attention but in b) a positive light?  

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, ncates00 said:

No mean spirit here at all; what do you think he should have done instead that would have a) grabbed as much attention but in b) a positive light?  

And would it have grabbed as much attention?

And if Kaepernick had been white, would it have been seen as "disrespectful"? (Ignore the cause, not that a white dude can't kneel for the same cause.)

[Higgs]

Honestly I'm not even sure what he is protesting, I'm not sure he knows either. 

[Swooshgolf]

32 minutes ago, Higgs said:

Honestly I'm not even sure what he is protesting, I'm not sure he knows either. 

Really ? LOL. I am not sure I can take this as a serious statement.