Trump Drives Cart on Green

[14ledo81]

1 hour ago, zipazoid said:

Here's how I see it -

If it were someone else other than Trump caught on camera driving across a green, would your opinion change?

Then you're being political (in the broadest sense of the word) - you're basing your opinion not on the action but by who is doing it.

To me, anyone, course owner or dishwasher, that drives a golf cart across a green is a dick.

If it were any other course owner driving on their own course that way, it would not bother me.

Bad business decision?  Probably.  But again, if it is someone's own property, they get to do that.

[zipazoid]

13 minutes ago, 14ledo81 said:

If it were any other course owner driving on their own course that way, it would not bother me.

Bad business decision?  Probably.  But again, if it is someone's own property, they get to do that.

It would bother me if I were a member of that course & was told that I couldn't do that, ostensibly due to potential damage...then see the owner do it. It would definitely make me rethink my membership. If it were a public course it would make me rethink whether I would ever play there again since, in both cases, it's no longer an issue of potential damage, but not being 'important enough' to get away with it.

[drmevo]

6 minutes ago, MRR said:

Admittedly, very little.  Even if it does do damage, the effect of such damage on the player is mitigated by the fact that the player can choose where he stands and the ball sits on a tee.  It's really the attitude of it.  Why does a golfer need to bring the weight and potential damage of all his clubs there?  He's not benefiting himself much by doing so.  It's not a horrible breach of etiquette (if it even is a breach); it's just a personal rule that I follow.

But I don't understand what the attitude is? Pretty much every PGA tour caddie brings the bag up onto the tee box, at least some of the time. It's just easier in a lot of situations and doesn't do any harm. I don't mean to pick at you on this point, but this seems to be a common attitude and I would like to see it change. Probably starting to get OT so I will leave it there.

[14ledo81]

15 minutes ago, zipazoid said:

It would bother me if I were a member of that course & was told that I couldn't do that, ostensibly due to potential damage...then see the owner do it. It would definitely make me rethink my membership. If it were a public course it would make me rethink whether I would ever play there again since, in both cases, it's no longer an issue of potential damage, but not being 'important enough' to get away with it.

Does it make you "important" if you are the owner?

 

[nevets88]

Most of us treat the things we own with care, it also reflects on how we treat things of others, generally, if you're rough with your own stuff, probably rough with other people's things. If someone drives on the greens of his own golf course, that's probably how she/he drive on someone else's golf course.

[zipazoid]

1 minute ago, 14ledo81 said:

Does it make you "important" if you are the owner?

 

Enough to drive across a green in a cart? Nope.

It's either allowed or not allowed - not conditional based on who you are - the grass doesn't know you're the owner & is damaged equally whether its the owner or a player.

Now obviously, I get it. If you own the course you can do what you wish - if you damage the green then the repair is out of your pocket...which would make me question the business sense of the owner. But it also sends the message to everyone else - 'I'm a big shot, you're not.' Personally, I would never play that course again.

[nevets88]

2 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

https://www.google.ca/amp/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/339046-video-of-trump-driving-on-the-golf-green-goes-viral%3Famp

video looks pretty clear to me...

I'm assuming the ring is where the green ends, he's outside of it, it looks to me.

Anyone know which hole it is? Can do a Google Maps overhead to check.

[drmevo]

7 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

I'm assuming the ring is where the green ends, he's outside of it, it looks to me.

Anyone know which hole it is? Can do a Google Maps overhead to check.

It's pretty clear from the first few seconds of the video. I'd also take the word of the guy standing there taking the video and narrating that he's driving on the green.

[ZappyAd]

9 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

Anyone know which hole it is? Can do a Google Maps overhead to check.

16th on the New course?  The path they are standing on looks like it cuts across the fairway but actually the fairway is off to the right.  There should be some bunkers to the right of the green - can't see them but looks like one of the guys is walking out of one at about 7 seconds in.

[Elmer]

18 hours ago, MuniGrit said:

He owns the course and is free to do what he wants. It is kind of like when your Dad told you "Do as I say, not as I do." People will whine about anything and the freaking mowers drive on the greens. It doesn't bother me since it is his course.

If he were to urinate in the elevator of the Trump tower (a building he "owns") is that OK?
Ownership is ownership and there is no dispute over your right to treat your stuff.
However something can be said for acting ethically and responsibly, Not to mention setting an example for those around you.
An owner should set an example as to how they want their course to be treated. An owner should simply set an example for others, not act like a child "my ball, my rules"!
Believe it or not there are a lot of numskulls out there who will use this as a reason to emulate, for good or bad!

[jkelley9]

44 minutes ago, drmevo said:

But I don't understand what the attitude is? Pretty much every PGA tour caddie brings the bag up onto the tee box, at least some of the time. It's just easier in a lot of situations and doesn't do any harm. I don't mean to pick at you on this point, but this seems to be a common attitude and I would like to see it change. Probably starting to get OT so I will leave it there.

I have a 4-wheel push cart... and I always take it up to the tee box... 

I can't see how that's damaging at all - and I do understand the sensitivity of the tee ground. 

I would even speculate that the people with stand bags when the two small stand points come out that they plug into the ground to some degree, doing "damage." Is this not even worse?

I'll ask our clubhouse today but now I'm afraid of the answer 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, MRR said:

1) I don't even walk on the green while carrying a bag.  Hell, I don't even walk on a tee box with a bag and get upset when I see other people drag their push-carts through one.

Lighten up, Francis. In Australia they encourage players to take their push carts directly across THE GREEN.

I've seen more damage done from heel prints and dragged feet than push carts on the fringe of a green or on a tee.

[No Mulligans]

It's a dick move for him to ride on the green if he didn't need to... but, I don't care.  If it's a course I play on and it damaged the green I'd be pissed.

Perhaps there was some security instructions that caused him to do that.  Who knows.  If he has a habit of riding carts on the green we would already have heard about it, and we haven't.

Edited June 23, 2017 by No Mulligans

[TN94z]

9 minutes ago, iacas said:

I've seen more damage done from heel prints and dragged feet than push carts on the fringe of a green or on a tee.

Exactly. I cannot count how many times I have seen golfers get mad at missing a putt and spin their feet on the green only to tear it up. I would rather see the push carts and even golf carts on the greens than some of the things I have seen happen to the greens from stupidity

Edited June 23, 2017 by TN94z

[Jeremie Boop]

I think there is a lot of legitimate reason to dislike this, and I think there is a lot of extra vehemence due to the person who did it. It's a dumb thing to do and there's probably no real excuse for it. It's not something that bothers me enough to get up in arms about, just something that makes me shake my head and shrug my shoulders.

 

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Side note, a lot of people making personal attacks on Trump that I doubt have ever had any interactions with him. That's all well and good, but don't expect anyone to put stock into your opinion of someone that you don't even know. There are plenty of stories about how good a guy he is as well. The only person I've ever know that's actually met and spent time with/around Trump had nothing but nice things to say about him, so I'll go by that opinion until I have reason not to.

 

[caniac6]

To quote Mel Brooks in " History of the World", " It's good to be king'

[MRR]

14 minutes ago, iacas said:

Lighten up, Francis. In Australia they encourage players to take their push carts directly across THE GREEN.

As I said, it's a personal mantra.  I merely stated my personal views on how I feel I should behave to give insight as to the basis of my opinions.  I have never, and would never, call out someone else for it.  Not sure how much ligher I could be about it.

Just don't touch my stuff. 

1 minute ago, caniac6 said:

To quote Mel Brooks in " History of the World", " It's good to be king'

Argh; I cannot respond without becoming political.

[iacas]

Many people here seem to be seeing what they want to see and feeling how they want to feel.

If nobody saw him drive over the green, and there was no damage, then if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to see it… does it make a sound?

In other words, if it were the superintendent at the same golf course and no damage was caused (have there been reports of ANY DAMAGE at all?), would this be an issue in the slightest?

No. Not even a little bit.

And yes, owners have different rights to the things they own. You're more than welcome to smash your TV with a 9-iron, but if someone else does that to your TV, you can have them arrested.