2018 Ryder Cup at Le Golf National - Paris, France

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Gettin Better said:

Woods isn't a TEAM player and should have been missed completely. He's got a terrible Ryder Cup record. But as a European we're GLAD he's in the team. More guaranteed points for us 😁

What a dumb take.

[GolfLug]

47 minutes ago, Gettin Better said:

😀 . 

3&2

4&2

5&4

5&4

Now THAT'S what I call KICKING ASS 😀

 

Okay Poulter...

[HJJ003]

Ugh that was a brutal PM session for USA. I hope the play and the pairings get better for tomorrow. 

[NM Golf]

1 hour ago, MacDutch said:

Course benifits the Euros, even more with a bit of wind.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion? Le Golf National is an American Style Golf Course. It looks like someone transported it straight from Florida. 

2 hours ago, Gettin Better said:

Woods isn't a TEAM player and should have been missed completely. He's got a terrible Ryder Cup record. But as a European we're GLAD he's in the team. More guaranteed points for us 😁

This is way off base, are you kidding me?

[Moxley]

12 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

Not sure how you came to this conclusion? Le Golf National is an American Style Golf Course. It looks like someone transported it straight from Florida. 

 

How it looks isn't the same as how it plays. It looks like that because they didn't want to wait several decades for trees to grow, so they took the decision to use a lot of water instead ,and thus the golf course would be 'finished' from the outset. Other than that, it plays very hard indeed, and you have to be straight. 

It probably suits the Europeans more because most of the European team are excellent ball strikers but not necessarily long hitters. The American team have some really big hitters who aren't able take advantage of their length off the tee as much , especially in the foresomes and singles. Fourballs is a different story, and I think the USA would have an edge here wherever it was played. 

 

[NM Golf]

6 minutes ago, Moxley said:

 

How it looks isn't the same as how it plays. It looks like that because they didn't want to wait several decades for trees to grow, so they took the decision to use a lot of water instead ,and thus the golf course would be 'finished' from the outset. Other than that, it plays very hard indeed, and you have to be straight. 

It probably suits the Europeans more because most of the European team are excellent ball strikers but not necessarily long hitters. The American team have some really big hitters who aren't able take advantage of their length off the tee as much , especially in the foresomes and singles. Fourballs is a different story, and I think the USA would have an edge here wherever it was played. 

 

Yeah I don't think I buy that. 

[Moxley]

10 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

Yeah I don't think I buy that. 

Hmm, you don't think the American team are relatively longer, or that the course is less rewarding of length off the tee ? 

[Vinsk]

2 hours ago, Gettin Better said:

Woods isn't a TEAM player and should have been missed completely. He's got a terrible Ryder Cup record. But as a European we're GLAD he's in the team. More guaranteed points for us 😁

Makes absolutely no sense. Golf isn’t a team sport...except when it’s a team sport. He plays a round  of golf with a partner in the hopes that one of them will produce a winning score. Can’t change that format. They’re a team. Period. Or it’s alternate shot in which they each try to provide good opportunities for the other. Every player in the history of golf hits bad shots. Your teammate wanted you to leave it right...you pull it left. So be it. You do your best and play on. And then there’s singles. One on one. So where exactly do you see Tiger not being a team player?

[NM Golf]

13 minutes ago, Moxley said:

Hmm, you don't think the American team are relatively longer, or that the course is less rewarding of length off the tee ? 

I don't believe the European team are such superior ball strikers. Hitting the ball a long way and being a good ball striker are not mutually exclusive.

Edited September 28, 2018 by NM Golf

[iacas]

14 minutes ago, Moxley said:

Hmm, you don't think the American team are relatively longer, or that the course is less rewarding of length off the tee ? 

Length is always an advantage. DJ can hit 3W with others must hit driver. And he’ll still have a shorter club in.

4 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

I don't believe the European team are such superior ball strikers. 

Ditto. Americans are. That’s why they’re higher in the OWGR.

[Moxley]

Just now, NM Golf said:

I don't believe the European team are such superior ball strikers. 

I didn't say that they were.

I said that they are excellent ball strikers, and that would be true of the American team too. The difference is that , in addition to being great ball strikers, the Americans also have some very long hitters too. 

I have already said earlier in the thread that I believe the US team to be a stronger one, I'm talking in relative terms here. Relatively, length is your advantage, and if you can't use that quite as much, then the course closes the gap a little. 

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Moxley said:

I didn't say that they were.

I said that they are excellent ball strikers, and that would be true of the American team too. The difference is that , in addition to being great ball strikers, the Americans also have some very long hitters too. 

I have already said earlier in the thread that I believe the US team to be a stronger one, I'm talking in relative terms here. Relatively, length is your advantage, and if you can't use that quite as much, then the course closes the gap a little. 

The implication was US = longer, Euro = better ball strikers.

And again length is always an advantage.

 

[Moxley]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

Length is always an advantage. DJ can hit 3W with others must hit driver. And he’ll still have a shorter club in.

Sure it is, but when you have holes where there isn't an option for driver, and all (acceptable) shots will land in a similar area, it's less of advantage. 

Just now, iacas said:

The implication was US = longer, Euro = better ball strikers.

Relatively speaking, yes.

[CarlSpackler]

My apologies if this has already been discussed, but why in the world would Furyk not send out the dynamic duo (Speith and Reed)? 

[Big C]

1 minute ago, CarlSpackler said:

My apologies if this has already been discussed, but why in the world would Furyk not send out the dynamic duo (Speith and Reed)? 

It's a good question, and one I don't have an answer to. If we don't see Spieth/Reed paired up tomorrow, I think it's safe to assume that one of the guys specifically asked not to be paired with the other.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I didn't like the idea of a Woods/Reed pairing from the start. Chemistry is a tricky thing and I feel like Patrick Reed is the type of guy that needs to be the alpha-dog in his pairing in order to play his best. If so, pairing him with Tiger is probably the worst move Furyk could have made.

[iacas]

13 minutes ago, Moxley said:

Sure it is, but when you have holes where there isn't an option for driver, and all (acceptable) shots will land in a similar area, it's less of advantage.

That’s not an accurate description of every hole out there, and even if it was length is STILL an advantage.

14 minutes ago, Moxley said:

Relatively speaking, yes.

Relatively speaking of US has the better ball strikers on its team.

[colin007]

3 hours ago, Gettin Better said:

Woods isn't a TEAM player and should have been missed completely. He's got a terrible Ryder Cup record. But as a European we're GLAD he's in the team. More guaranteed points for us 😁

Of a more serious take, I don't believe that Tiger really cares about the Ryder Cup that much. I don't have any proof, it's just a hunch, but TO ME it seems like he could take it or leave it. Again, jmho.

[weekend hacker1]

Astounding that Furyk put Mickelson out in the foursomes. He is wilder than ever off the tee. Not complaining though. Early days but looking good for Europe.