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Carl3 Great Member

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11 hours ago, DrMJG said:

I call them "flaws" in the course design that destroy my great round!

 

I think I played behind those three guys last weekend.

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Patch Incredible Member

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Well, under "Hazards" they do list three types that are made up of sand. Those being green side bunkers, fairway bunkers, and waste bunkers. This from wikipedia. 

We all know there is only one "Sand Trap". 😀

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ColinL Dedicated Member

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1 hour ago, Patch said:

Well, under "Hazards" they do list three types that are made up of sand. Those being green side bunkers, fairway bunkers, and waste bunkers. This from wikipedia. 

We all know there is only one "Sand Trap". 😀

WIkipedia has got it wrong then.   A bunker is just a bunker wherever it is situated and there is no such thing in the Rules as a "waste bunker".

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1 minute ago, ColinL said:

WIkipedia has got it wrong then.   A bunker is just a bunker wherever it is situated and there is no such thing in the Rules as a "waste bunker".

And regardless, I'm still trapped in the sand. :tumble:

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David in FL Incredible Member

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On 10/6/2018 at 7:32 AM, Doug Sands said:

Just trying to enlighten your golfers 

Thank you for “enlightening” me....  :-\

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Hardspoon Super Member

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1 hour ago, ColinL said:

WIkipedia has got it wrong then.   A bunker is just a bunker wherever it is situated and there is no such thing in the Rules as a "waste bunker".

There is no such thing as a “fairway bunker” in the Rules, either. That doesn’t mean there aren’t a few different types (a “pot bunker” is still a thing that exists, whether defined in the Rules or not).

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Fourputt Incredible Member

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6 hours ago, Hardspoon said:

There is no such thing as a “fairway bunker” in the Rules, either. That doesn’t mean there aren’t a few different types (a “pot bunker” is still a thing that exists, whether defined in the Rules or not).

The difference between a fairway bunker and waste bunker is that courses with what they call "waste bunkers" don't treat them as hazards.  You can move loose impediments, ground your club, etc., because it's no different from being in the rough.  A regular bunker that happens to be somewhere along the fairway is a true bunker and is a hazard.  

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Hardspoon Super Member

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2 hours ago, Fourputt said:

The difference between a fairway bunker and waste bunker is that courses with what they call "waste bunkers" don't treat them as hazards.

This is getting OT, but everywhere I’ve seen that they call them “waste areas”, for that exact reason. 

- John

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Lihu Incredible Member

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On 10/5/2018 at 7:58 PM, iacas said:

honestly… if I had called the site "TheBunker.com" people might have thought it was about wars or something.

Or something... “underground” 🤪

 

On 10/6/2018 at 4:32 AM, Doug Sands said:

Just trying to enlighten your golfers 

We’re completely enlightened around here, maybe a bit too enlighten sometimes with respect to our horrible looking swings 😂

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Rulesman Great Member

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4 hours ago, Hardspoon said:

This is getting OT, but everywhere I’ve seen that they call them “waste areas”, for that exact reason. 

The USGA strongly recommend that they are not called 'waste bunkers' but should be called 'waste areas'

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I had never heard the term "waste area" until meeting it on American forums. There weren't any on the links courses in Scotland I spent my early days of golfing on.  Plenty of sand dunes though. 😀

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3 hours ago, Rulesman said:

The USGA strongly recommend that they are not called 'waste bunkers' but should be called 'waste areas'

The prefered term is "sandy areas through the green"

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45 minutes ago, Martyn W said:

The prefered term is "sandy areas through the green"

Yes. I had forgotten I had seen that somewhere on the USGA site.

However, some 'waste areas' are not sandy, simply bare natural ground (soil and/or stones).

One of the top courses in England has such an area.

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50 minutes ago, Martyn W said:

The prefered term is "sandy areas through the green"

I prefer to call them 'mini Sahara that will cause me an early demise.":-P

 

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Fourputt Incredible Member

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14 hours ago, Hardspoon said:

This is getting OT, but everywhere I’ve seen that they call them “waste areas”, for that exact reason. 

 

10 hours ago, Rulesman said:

The USGA strongly recommend that they are not called 'waste bunkers' but should be called 'waste areas'

I agree.  It's the dopes that do PGA tour broadcasts that never seem to get the message.

Rick

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