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inthehole Great Member

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I've seen several conflicting definitions / opinions on this ... I'm just looking for a definitive answer - if you wind up close to the green on the fringe, is it a GIR - or do you absolutely have to be on the green  ?

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GIR being Green in Regulation.  Fringe not being the green is not a GIR.  But being on the fringe is a good shot and a very nice NGIR(near green in regulation).  Your now putting so rock on...

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vasaribm Well Established Member

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On the actual green is the only way I have ever counted.

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For me, a GIR means on the actual green.  On the other hand, if you're keeping statistics for personal use, define it any way you think is appropriate.  If you're tracking your shots into the green, and you've hit it to a spot you can putt without other complications, that's a good enough shot to be called a GIR.

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Shorty Super Member

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If you're tracking your shots into the green, and you've hit it to a spot you can putt without other complications, that's a good enough shot to be called a GIR.

And while you're at at, if a ball is in the rough, you can say it's on the fairway.

If it's near the hole, you may as well say it's in the hole.

Out of bounds? Nah... call it in.

It's either on the green or it isn't.

That has absolutely nothing to do with how you feel about the shot or what you'e tracking.

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I've seen several conflicting definitions / opinions on this ... I'm just looking for a definitive answer - if you wind up close to the green on the fringe, is it a GIR - or do you absolutely have to be on the green  ?

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Green is Green, Fringe is Fringe. There is no conflicting definitions. If you sink a shot from the fringe with a putter it is a 0-putt for the hole.

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BallStriker Great Member

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It is OK to say "I had 10 GIRs and would have had 12 if fringe counted, and would have had 16 if I could extend the green by 5 feet" -- they are all perfectly acceptable ways of evaluating your tee to green game and feeling good (or bad) about it.

Don't get too caught up with these compartmentalized stats, but instead evaluate both good approaches and bad -- it is often the case that a good approach will miss the green (fringe from 200 yards) and a bad approach will hit the green (100 yard wedge that leaves you a 40 foot putt).

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Don't get too caught up with these compartmentalized stats, but instead evaluate both good approaches and bad -- it is often the case that a good approach will miss the green (fringe from 200 yards) and a bad approach will hit the green (100 yard wedge that leaves you a 40 foot putt).

This is exactly my point.  If you're comparing to other people, use the standard definition.  If you're evaluating your own game, use whatever definition makes sense.  I'm not one to keep detailed stats about my own game, but I mentally evaluate just about every round.  If I've aimed at the edge of a fairway, trying for a specific angle, and I'm 6 feet into the light rough, I've hit a good shot, I don't feel any need to call it a "missed fairway."  If I'm aiming at a pin that's 4 paces onto the front of the green, and I leave it a foot short of the green in the fairway, that's another good shot, no need to classify it as a "missed green."  Keeping statistics is a bit of effort, there should be some utility to them.  Using a definition that's too rigid can make the statistics less valuable, and potentially misleading.

Again, I say if you're comparing to someone else, especially a big group of people like the TST members here, use the rigid definitions.  For your own use, do as you choose, as long as its useful to you

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dkolo Great Member

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I've seen several conflicting definitions / opinions on this ... I'm just looking for a definitive answer - if you wind up close to the green on the fringe, is it a GIR - or do you absolutely have to be on the green  ?

Thx

It's not a GIR in the actual sense of the stat. Regardless of whether you putt or chip from the fringe or if you wanted to putt or chip from the green, unless it's on the shortest grass (the actual green), it is not a GIR. If you choose to count it one way or the other for your own stats for some identifiable reason, as long as you recognize that there's a fudge factor and understand which way it pushes the stats, it shouldn't undermine the usefulness of your stats. Similarly, if you use the actual GIR stat correctly and you play some greens where it has crazy things like bunkers in the middle like Riviera or TPC San Antonio, I don't think you'd be out of line counting or not counting something as GIR based on whether the part of the green you hit didn't have a putt at the hole or required a flop shot. So again, the stat is what it is, you just have to understand what goes into it for it to have validity (i.e., for it to be a measure of what you think it's supposed to measure).

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dkolo Great Member

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You could always create a new stat: FoGIR - Fringe Or Green In Regulation.

Appropriately enough, it gets pronounced "Faux-G.I.R."

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Dave2512 Super Member

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Not something I care about. If it is a good chance to make par all is good. If padding stats is the goal just think how awesome your scrambling stats will be if you hit a lot of fringe :-D .

Dave :-)

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Shorty Super Member

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I've seen several conflicting definitions / opinions on this ...

Where have you seen conflicting opinions? It's as black and white as it gets, isn't it? There's no grey area at all.

That's not to say that for all intents and purposes being a foot off the green may as well be on the green. Unless you are compiling statistics.

In the race of life, always back self-interest. At least you know it's trying.

 

 

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It isn't GIR in my book, but as you observe, not all "not GIR" are required equal. If you can't mark it and clean it by virtue of where it is, it isn't GIR (regardless of whether or not you do). But I track GIR and near-GIR, and I'm a lot more concerned with the combined value than either one individually.

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isukgolf Great Member

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And while you're at at, if a ball is in the rough, you can say it's on the fairway. If it's near the hole, you may as well say it's in the hole. Out of bounds? Nah... call it in. It's either on the green or it isn't. That has absolutely nothing to do with how you feel about the shot or what you'e tracking.

Wow @Shorty actually made me laugh out loud, and I 100% agree!

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