Bryson DeChambeau - Oy

[DaveP043]

21 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

Agree. Is there data on how far off center of fairway he has been? If their is, I would be curious to see what the range of lateral degrees he is missing by. At that distance, he is bound to be within a couple of degrees, which is impressive when you compare it to something like long drive championships, or maybe even other players that aren't as long and measuring degrees as well.

Distance from Center of Fairway | PGA TOUR Stats

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Strokes Gained | Distance (All Drives) | Distance (Measured Drives) | Accuracy | Scoring | Other | Radar

 

For the Rocket Mortgage Classic that he won, he averaged less than 10 yards from the center of the fairway.  That was 69th in the field, but the best in the field (Danny Willett) averaged about 6.5 yards from the center.  Not a lot of difference there, but Bryson averaged 40 yards further off the tee than Willett.

[Bonvivant]

@DaveP043, exactly what I was looking for. Cheers! 

[nevets88]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

People are overlooking how straight he's hitting it.

I looked at his shotlink graphic in the PGA Tour site for the last tournament, and was like (in Darth Vader voice), impressive. 

[Bonvivant]

32 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

I looked at his shotlink graphic in the PGA Tour site for the last tournament, and was like (in Darth Vader voice), impressive. 

I find many people's lack of faith disturbing as well.

[ShawnSum]

On 7/12/2020 at 3:07 PM, ShawnSum said:

Bet we don't see him swing this way one single time while playing in a tournament.

I think I am going to be eating my own words judging from how this Charity Exhibition is going...Finau is destroying the ball off the tee with his full swing!! LOL! 

[GolfLug]

On 7/14/2020 at 9:27 AM, fredf said:

I went nuts on speed drills for a while, including this speed the backswing advice. An unintended consequence was my swing got much shorter without me being aware at the time. (Not blaming the theory, just the dope with the club in hand.) So buyer beware.

Yes, I did it last winter for couple of weeks in winter when I got MEVO and started stalling turn rates and spinning out until I realized I was simply cheating unintentionally... with nothing to show for it and a sore upper back to boot.

Edited July 15, 2020 by GolfLug

[billchao]

191 mph ball speed, 345 yd carry.

[jamo]

That's absurd.

[chspeed]

4 hours ago, billchao said:

191 mph ball speed, 345 yd carry.

Crazy. As these guys approach long-drive champion distances (winners are ~400 yds), what happens next? How long before 400 yd. holes are considered drive-able?

[Vinsk]

50 minutes ago, chspeed said:

Crazy. As these guys approach long-drive champion distances (winners are ~400 yds), what happens next? How long before 400 yd. holes are considered drive-able?

Today.

[billchao]

55 minutes ago, chspeed said:

Crazy. As these guys approach long-drive champion distances (winners are ~400 yds), what happens next? How long before 400 yd. holes are considered drive-able?

Setup on a given hole or course matters. Bryson hit the ball 191 mph. Long drive guys are well into the 200 mph range. Conditions play a role on long drive competitions, too. That’s why sometimes you see everyone hitting around 340, and other times over 400.

[Bonvivant]

2 hours ago, chspeed said:

Crazy. As these guys approach long-drive champion distances (winners are ~400 yds), what happens next? How long before 400 yd. holes are considered drive-able?

Now, as said before. Another thing to take into account is that golf holes aren't measured like LD competitions. Typically they are measured down the middle of the fairway. That means that often, a 400 yard hole on tour is often only 350-370 yards (or even less) as the crow flies, or in this case, as BDC's ball flies.

[Vinsk]

1 hour ago, Bonvivant said:

Now, as said before. Another thing to take into account is that golf holes aren't measured like LD competitions. Typically they are measured down the middle of the fairway. That means that often, a 400 yard hole on tour is often only 350-370 yards (or even less) as the crow flies, or in this case, as BDC's ball flies.

True..but the numbers show he’s competing with the LD guys without a tweaked Krank driver. His ball speed and swing speed are right up there and he’s hitting it pretty straight.

[Bonvivant]

13 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

True..but the numbers show he’s competing with the LD guys without a tweaked Krank driver. His ball speed and swing speed are right up there and he’s hitting it pretty straight.

They really aren't though. Maybe in his practice room where he doesn't have to worry about position, but on course he isn't that close to LD competitors. They post swing speeds in the 140s and I don't know if Bryson has cracked more than low 130s on course. Ball speed can be close to 220 in LD, where Bryson isn't pushing more than 193 on course. Look at the first drive in this video. You think Bryson is putting up these numbers?

Bryson is extremely long by playing standards. He manages to keep it very very VERY straight for how far it is going. A couple of them get away from him from time to time, but mostly he is in play, and so close to the pin that it doesn't matter what kind of shape he is in as long as it isn't penalty.

What Bryson does is a big time feat, but to compare him to a long drive hitter isn't giving Bryson enough credit IMO. He follows the formula for launch, but manages to control it enough to make it very usable on course. A LD range is up to 60 yards wide, and those guys usually only land 1-2 balls out of 8 within the grid. PGA tour fairways are usually around 30 yards wide, and Bryson is on or close on most of his drives.

Edit* bonus reference:

Bryson is using a Cobra SZ driver with only 5.5 degrees of loft. It may not be as long as the sticks the LD guys use, but it is definitely "tweaked" as you put it. No one else uses something like this.

Bryson DeChambeau What's In The Bag? - The Golfing Scientist

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Bryson DeChambeau What's In The Bag? - We take a look inside the 'Golfing Scientist' Bryson DeChambeau's golf bag featuring one length irons

 

Edited July 17, 2020 by Bonvivant
added info

[billchao]

7 hours ago, Vinsk said:

True..but the numbers show he’s competing with the LD guys without a tweaked Krank driver. His ball speed and swing speed are right up there and he’s hitting it pretty straight.

LD competitions use USGA conforming clubs.

[saevel25]

8 hours ago, Bonvivant said:

Bryson is using a Cobra SZ driver with only 5.5 degrees of loft. It may not be as long as the sticks the LD guys use, but it is definitely "tweaked" as you put it. No one else uses something like this.

I believe Phil played a sub 7 degree driver for a while. Not sure what is in his bag now. 

[Vinsk]

3 hours ago, billchao said:

LD competitions use USGA conforming clubs.

I didn’t say they didn’t right? I said ‘tweaked’. Kyle Birkshire doesn’t use his LD driver when he’s playing. 

11 hours ago, Bonvivant said:

They really aren't though. Maybe in his practice room where he doesn't have to worry about position, but on course he isn't that close to LD competitors. They post swing speeds in the 140s and I don't know if Bryson has cracked more than low 130s on course. Ball speed can be close to 220 in LD, where Bryson isn't pushing more than 193 on course. Look at the first drive in this video. You think Bryson is putting up these numbers?

Bryson is extremely long by playing standards. He manages to keep it very very VERY straight for how far it is going. A couple of them get away from him from time to time, but mostly he is in play, and so close to the pin that it doesn't matter what kind of shape he is in as long as it isn't penalty.

What Bryson does is a big time feat, but to compare him to a long drive hitter isn't giving Bryson enough credit IMO. He follows the formula for launch, but manages to control it enough to make it very usable on course. A LD range is up to 60 yards wide, and those guys usually only land 1-2 balls out of 8 within the grid. PGA tour fairways are usually around 30 yards wide, and Bryson is on or close on most of his drives.

Edit* bonus reference:

Bryson is using a Cobra SZ driver with only 5.5 degrees of loft. It may not be as long as the sticks the LD guys use, but it is definitely "tweaked" as you put it. No one else uses something like this.

Bryson DeChambeau What's In The Bag? - The Golfing Scientist

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Bryson DeChambeau What's In The Bag? - We take a look inside the 'Golfing Scientist' Bryson DeChambeau's golf bag featuring one length irons

 

 

It’s tweaked for golf performance. If BD was only doing distance and had 8 tries to hit the grid ....he would use a different driver.

[billchao]

6 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

I didn’t say they didn’t right? I said ‘tweaked’. Kyle Birkshire doesn’t use his LD driver when he’s playing.

No, but you said “tweaked” and given than Krank makes non-conforming drivers, I wanted to clarify that World Long Drive competitions use conforming clubs. Not necessarily for your information, but for the sake of not having possibly misleading information on the site.