LIV Golf Now Closed?

[ChetlovesMer]

On 12/10/2023 at 12:09 PM, turtleback said:

I'm just glad I've lived my life during the golden years of the Nicklaus/Tiger era, because as far as I'm concerned it has turned into manure, driven by greed and hypocrisy.

I kinda get what you are saying. Although, I won't go so far as to say it's turned into manure. 
I am also glad I got to see (both live on TV and live on the course) the two greatest of all time competing in a format that I actually like. I think everyone should appreciate it if they got to see Tiger and/or Jack in their prime. 

There's no debate that the money in all sports, not just golf, has grown exponentially over the past (pick your time period). That amount of money changes things; How could it not? And when ever something changes there will be some who will like it better and some will not. 

While I'm not thrilled with the changes that have happened recently. I expect professional golf can and will recover. ... eventually. 

[chspeed]

On 12/10/2023 at 12:09 PM, turtleback said:

I'm just glad I've lived my life during the golden years of the Nicklaus/Tiger era, because as far as I'm concerned it has turned into manure, driven by greed and hypocrisy.

You mean back when it was replete with sexism and racism? 🤷‍♂️ To each his own.

[Mike Hitman]

I also think an issue of consideration should be the team versus individual competition. I don't think there is much of a history of mixing the two, simultaneously in competition, muddles the water. I'd be more inclined to have team match days, then individual scoring days. Isolate each. Two separate and distinct competitions.

I am available for consulting if LIV golf wants to hire me.

[turtleback]

23 hours ago, chspeed said:

You mean back when it was replete with sexism and racism? 🤷‍♂️ To each his own.

Why is it so hard to understand that I am just talking about golf?  I clarified that once, but that doesn't't stop you from cheap-shot virtue signaling.

[iacas]

Sources - PGA Tour, U.S. sports team owners group nearing deal - ESPN

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A deal between a group of well-known U.S. sports team owners and the PGA Tour that would infuse more than $3 billion into a new for-profit entity, PGA Tour Enterprises, is imminent, sources told ESPN.

The PGA Tour is also continuing talks with officials from the PIF, which is financing the rival LIV Golf League. If a deal is reached with both Strategic Sports Group and the PIF, more than $7 billion might be infused into PGA Tour Enterprises, which would combine the commercial assets of the PGA Tour, PIF and DP World Tour.

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There is an increased urgency to get the deals done, after the LIV Golf League signed another PGA Tour star, Spain's Jon Rahm, on Dec. 7. Sources told ESPN that Rahm, the reigning Masters champion, agreed to a multiyear contract worth more than $300 million to jump to the LIV Golf League.

"It was nothing more than a shot across the bow," said a source familiar with the negotiations. "It was a f--- you by PIF to the tour that they can grab anyone, even the guy who was adamant about not joining. Three hundred million dollars is a rounding error to the Saudis. Their message was: 'You want to keep fighting with us, really? You want to keep talking to everyone and box us out? Good luck with that.' That's their message."

[chspeed]

6 hours ago, turtleback said:

Why is it so hard to understand that I am just talking about golf?  I clarified that once, but that doesn't't stop you from cheap-shot virtue signaling.

You talked about greed and hypocrisy. Those aren't golf terms.

I was pointing out that IMO, those "golden years" weren't as golden as they seemed.

25 minutes ago, iacas said:

Their message was: 'You want to keep fighting with us, really? You want to keep talking to everyone and box us out? Good luck with that.' That's their message."

Sounds right. Seems to me like they are in the driver's seat on this deal now, if they weren't already.

Too early to throw up the white flag, but not by much I'm afraid.

On 12/14/2023 at 4:48 PM, Mike Hitman said:

I am available for consulting if LIV golf wants to hire me.

Aren't we all. Everyone's got a price 🙂

Edited December 15, 2023 by chspeed

[iacas]

Look, @turtleback can stand up for himself, but at the same time…

42 minutes ago, chspeed said:

You talked about greed and hypocrisy. Those aren't golf terms.

Ummmm, in this context (PIF, LIV, etc.) they are.

41 minutes ago, chspeed said:

I was pointing out that IMO, those "golden years" weren't as golden as they seemed.

He's talking about the golf. I thought that was obvious, and even if you didn't, he literally said he was "just talking about golf."

Move on.

[Zeph]

Viktor Hovland makes big PGA Tour commitment amid intense LIV Golf

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Viktor Hovland and Wyndham Clark are the latest PGA Tour stars reportedly on the verge of joining...

 

[turtleback]

16 hours ago, chspeed said:

You talked about greed and hypocrisy. Those aren't golf terms.

 

Really? 

Greed: this is all about money.

Hypocrisy:  participating in Saudi sportwashing after condemning it.

It's not the "terms" that count, it's the underlying reality.

[Mike Hitman]

On 12/15/2023 at 3:32 PM, chspeed said:

Aren't we all. Everyone's got a price 🙂

Alot of stuff going on in your head, at best I'm assuming you need to improve on your method of communication, because repeatedly you "seem" to miss the point. Perhaps if you laid the groundwork better, thereby supporting the conclusions. Just a thought.

[chspeed]

1 hour ago, Mike Hitman said:

Alot of stuff going on in your head, at best I'm assuming you need to improve on your method of communication, because repeatedly you "seem" to miss the point. Perhaps if you laid the groundwork better, thereby supporting the conclusions. Just a thought.

Thanks, I think you're right. I don't come across well in this forum which I've noticed it over the years. I keep forgetting, so I go through short spurts of posting. I wish there was a read-only mode that wouldn't allow me to post. 😄

[iacas]

3 hours ago, chspeed said:

Thanks, I think you're right. I don't come across well in this forum which I've noticed it over the years. I keep forgetting, so I go through short spurts of posting. I wish there was a read-only mode that wouldn't allow me to post. 😄

You’re totally fine as long as you post something like that. Just say “Yeah sorry I read that wrong.” Nobody will fault you for that.

There's no tone of voice in plain text, and because I need it so often, we try to give people the benefit of the doubt here.

That said, this wasn't entirely a tone thing. He said he was just talking about the golf. 🙂

[Beastie]

I’m getting pretty tired of LiV and the PGA tour but

Viktor Hovland says he has no plans to join LIV Golf but attacks PGA ‘arrogance’ | LIV Golf Series | The Guardian

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The world No 4 criticised the ‘arrogance’ of PGA Tour management but said he has no plans to join LIV...

 

[phan52]

Rory is sounding conciliatory and took some shots at the Tour. I don't know what that means going forward. I hope he doesn't join LIV. It is a flawed, unwatchable product. 

[Mike Hitman]

Rahm in Hawaii recruiting. Expect more top PGA pros to move to LIV.

On 1/4/2024 at 11:21 AM, phan52 said:

Rory is sounding conciliatory and took some shots at the Tour. I don't know what that means going forward. I hope he doesn't join LIV. It is a flawed, unwatchable product. 

I agree. But team golf could work if that is what a creator wanted. But it requires fan buy-in to the team. That's created by geographical and/or philosophical connections. LIV hasn't understood that, big fail.

Edited January 6, 2024 by Mike Hitman

[klineka]

4 hours ago, Mike Hitman said:

Rahm in Hawaii recruiting. Expect more top PGA pros to move to LIV.

How do you know he is recruiting? 

How do you know LIV has extended offers to any other players?

[GolfLug]

On 1/4/2024 at 2:21 PM, phan52 said:

Rory is sounding conciliatory and took some shots at the Tour. I don't know what that means going forward. I hope he doesn't join LIV. It is a flawed, unwatchable product. 

He knows that would be final nail. Only the die hard sponsors would hang around.

If that happens and I were a LIV guy, I'm thinking I will be playing on the PGAT soon enough. 

[Mike Hitman]

3 hours ago, klineka said:

How do you know he is recruiting? 

How do you know LIV has extended offers to any other players?

I could have known, first hand or my comment could just be a prediction. To answer your question, in this case, just a (fun) prediction. Now, if more go and to Rahm's team in the next month, I'll consider my prediction spot on 😎 ! With his money, why else would he be there? 

I also believe it won't take many more players to break the dam. If the players or management on either side smell that,? Look out! Would you take 50 million now, if you thought everyone would be back playing together in 12 months?

Edited January 6, 2024 by Mike Hitman