LIV Golf (Saudi PIF), "Mergers," and More

[iacas]

51 minutes ago, StuM said:

I think he was in reference to a comment from  @snapfade 

Probably. But that’s why I asked.

33 minutes ago, turtleback said:

That's because your expertise is teaching and coaching golf and running this board.  There are people whose job it is to vet logos and they missed it. It happens.* 

It does happen, yeah. But…

34 minutes ago, turtleback said:

But then when the logo-holder told them they were infringing they tried to just blow them off.  It wouldn't surprise me if that ups the financial ante for infringement.

Yes. That hurts them quite a bit.

[snapfade]

I think Fallen got inspired by Fear Factory (since 1989)

[billchao]

5 hours ago, turtleback said:

People say they never heard of Fallen Footwear before, but I would ask them if they knew what Phil's team's logo was before this came up.

I didn’t know of either of these things before this.

[Dr. Manhattan]

PGA Tour announced that Monahan is recovering from a medical situation. Hopefully he's OK, regardless of how this golf stuff is playing out. 

[Elmer]

On 6/13/2023 at 3:38 PM, iacas said:

What did I say that prompted this type of response? I'm curious because it's not like I said they were off the hook or something.

 

I was responding to Snapfade, and did not mean to be condescending.
But I have never liked the logic of "I didn't know about it, therefore should be an issue".
I see this on the golf course and in life "I did not know, so why should I be penalized".

Just because Fallen Footwear and Liv were unaware does not mean infringement of copyrighted material did not occur. 
Mickelson should consider this another gamble, take the loss and pay up!

 

[TourSpoon]

21 hours ago, snapfade said:

Why wait till now to sue for logo copyright infringement? Who here had to Google Fallen Footwear?

I am thinking that the skateboarding community probably doesn't watch LIV or follow Phil. It probably happened when Phil was highlighted at a recent major wearing the logo. 

 

21 hours ago, Elmer said:

I know this is meaningless and insignificant for the SA slushfund, but could have been avoided. 

Definitely avoidable. I am sure there are industry professionals that have the ability to search in a way more sophisticated than using google. 

[chspeed]

PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan takes medical leave days after LIV Golf deal announcement

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The PGA Tour didn't specify how long Monahan would be out, nor did it disclose the nature of his health issue.

Sorry - just saw someone had posted about this...

Edited June 14, 2023 by chspeed

[saevel25]

 I like Morikawa's take...

 

[chspeed]

6 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

 I like Morikawa's take...

 

Eh. Lots of people are sick of things they have to do as part of their jobs. Can't force them to answer the question, but as a fan I'd be annoyed if none of them talked about it.

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, chspeed said:

Eh. Lots of people are sick of things they have to do as part of their jobs. Can't force them to answer the question, but as a fan I'd be annoyed if none of them talked about it.

I am ok with people not wanting to talk about stuff they do not have much information on or no new information to give. I rather have that then some opinionated BS because they feel like they need to give an answer. I always thought, it is OK to say I do not know. 

[Dr. Manhattan]

53 minutes ago, chspeed said:

Eh. Lots of people are sick of things they have to do as part of their jobs. Can't force them to answer the question, but as a fan I'd be annoyed if none of them talked about it.

 

I think the players really don't know what's happening at the moment. PGA Tour executives negotiated with Saudi government behind the back of the players. Everyone is still waiting for PGA Tour and Saudi government to figure out all the fine print details and announce it to the players/media. 

[turtleback]

16 hours ago, billchao said:

I didn’t know of either of these things before this.

Which is why the point of the poster who said he had to Google FF was irrelevant.

[iacas]

9 hours ago, Elmer said:

Just because Fallen Footwear and Liv were unaware does not mean infringement of copyrighted material did not occur. 

Nobody's arguing that.

6 hours ago, chspeed said:

Eh. Lots of people are sick of things they have to do as part of their jobs. Can't force them to answer the question, but as a fan I'd be annoyed if none of them talked about it.

I'm not. I don't need them to talk about it. Journalists have to ask, they don't have to answer.

[nevets88]

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But the filing didn’t happen until the 11th hour, after the court closed Friday evening, and some people close to the deal were increasingly anxious this week, fearful one side was wavering, potentially casting uncertainty over the entire deal.

PGA Tour, LIV dismissed lawsuits, ending legal battle - The Washington Post

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The formal end of golf's costly legal battle is a major step toward the proposed new partnership.

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Any jury trial was not expected until the middle of 2024 at the earliest as both sides wrangled over discovery issues.

But the case is not done yet. The New York Times earlier on Friday filed a motion to intervene, asking the court to unseal documents. The Times says the public’s right to the information outweighs the tour and LIV Golf’s claims certain documents could cause “competitive harm.”

Saudi-backed LIV Golf, PGA Tour file joint motion to dismiss lawsuits | AP News

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The PGA Tour and Saudi-backed LIV Golf are asking a federal court to dismiss their antitrust legal action against one another. The motion to dismiss was filed late Friday. This was not a surprise. The PGA Tour and...

 

[saevel25]

Tom Watson writes and open letter. 

Tom Watson's open letter to PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com

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The eight-time major champion shares his reservations about a pending deal with Saudi Arabia's PIF.

 

[iacas]

I don't know that I care what Tom Watson has to say. Is there any specific reason to read this?

[saevel25]

Just now, iacas said:

I don't know that I care what Tom Watson has to say. Is there any specific reason to read this?

Probably not then. 

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Probably not then. 

Thanks.

It's just me; Not a Tom Watson fan, really. Glad you posted the link.