LIV Golf (Saudi PIF), "Mergers," and More

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Two more just sold their souls to the bonesaw exhibition. Sebastian Munoz Mito Pereira.

Good riddance. 

[ChetlovesMer]

7 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two more just sold their souls to the bonesaw exhibition. Sebastian Munoz Mito Pereira.

Good riddance. 

I can't pretend I watch every golf tournament. But I don't know who those guys are. 

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two more just sold their souls to the bonesaw exhibition. Sebastian Munoz Mito Pereira.

Good riddance. 

Imagine going NOW of all times. The league looks closer to collapse than it does to wide success.

[woodzie264]

50 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two more just sold their souls to the bonesaw exhibition. Sebastian Munoz Mito Pereira.

Good riddance. 

Who?? No loss

[turtleback]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two more just sold their souls to the bonesaw exhibition. Sebastian Munoz Mito Pereira.

Good riddance. 

 

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Imagine going NOW of all times. The league looks closer to collapse than it does to wide success.

Get the money while the getting's good?

Or, Make hay while the sun shines?

[Elmer]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Imagine going NOW of all times. The league looks closer to collapse than it does to wide success.

Like hoping aboard the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.
Maybe they think there is enough room on Rose's door!

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, Elmer said:

Like hoping aboard the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.
Maybe they think there is enough room on Rose's door!

We'll see. I don't think it's definitely going to fail, but I don't think it's definitely going to succeed, either.

[Double Mocha Man]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Imagine going NOW of all times. The league looks closer to collapse than it does to wide success.

Wondering what would happen if, surprisingly, LIV folds.  What would be the status of the players?  Welcomed back into the arms of the PGA Tour or shunned.  A waiting period?

[woodzie264]

18 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Wondering what would happen if, surprisingly, LIV folds.  What would be the status of the players?  Welcomed back into the arms of the PGA Tour or shunned.  A waiting period?

I’ve wondered about that. If it’s been a long enough break for those players from Tour, would they need to re-qualify for the Tour?  I’m sure there has been discussion amongst the powers that be.

[iacas]

37 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Wondering what would happen if, surprisingly, LIV folds.  What would be the status of the players?  Welcomed back into the arms of the PGA Tour or shunned.  A waiting period?

I imagine they might have to wait a year or more. Particularly those who sued.

Maybe someone like DJ, you let him come back much sooner than someone like PReed or Poulter.

DJ just kinda went. Didn't bad-mouth the Tour.

[boogielicious]

2 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Wondering what would happen if, surprisingly, LIV folds.  What would be the status of the players?  Welcomed back into the arms of the PGA Tour or shunned.  A waiting period?

For a price, say a cool $40,000,000 each.

[DeadMan]

2 hours ago, woodzie264 said:

I’ve wondered about that. If it’s been a long enough break for those players from Tour, would they need to re-qualify for the Tour?  I’m sure there has been discussion amongst the powers that be.

Some of them resigned their membership, so they might have to requalify possibly. Phil resigned his but he's lifetime exempt on the PGA Tour, so it might just be filling out an application for him. I don't know exactly how the rules work, but there might be some sort of requalification process.

I'd bet that the PGA Tour will make any LIV player that wants to come back serve a suspension. If LIV folds, I don't think they'd be able to ban someone permanently under US antitrust law, but I'd imagine a year suspension would be fine. 

[Zeph]

4 hours ago, iacas said:

We'll see. I don't think it's definitely going to fail, but I don't think it's definitely going to succeed, either.

That depends on what they would call success. They’ve been slowly buying their way into top level sports for many years now, and I doubt they do it for the money.

If LIV just keeps existing as a way for a selection of players to make bucketloads, who knows what the situation looks like some years down the line.

The amount of money involved at the highest levels of football, FIFA and all that, the sport comes second. As long as the money keeps coming, people will go there.

I can particularly see how young up-and-coming players are enticed. Secure themselves financially for life (if they don’t squander it) in the twenties, and they don’t have a long-standing reputation on the PGA Tour or in the world of golf to throw away.

From a golf fan’s perspective or commercial perspective, LIV doesn’t look too good, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they got smart enough people involved that knew all this was coming and potentially got long-term plans ready. Perhaps not Norman or those making the headlines, but people behind the scenes. With the amount of money they can put on the table, they can surely get hold of some very knowledgable people. And considering how much they already have invested and are willing to invest, throwing in the towel at this point would strike me as strange. For all we know, they could already be considering LIV a success.

[iacas]

20 minutes ago, Zeph said:

That depends on what they would call success. They’ve been slowly buying their way into top level sports for many years now, and I doubt they do it for the money.

If LIV just keeps existing as a way for a selection of players to make bucketloads, who knows what the situation looks like some years down the line.

The amount of money involved at the highest levels of football, FIFA and all that, the sport comes second. As long as the money keeps coming, people will go there.

I can particularly see how young up-and-coming players are enticed. Secure themselves financially for life (if they don’t squander it) in the twenties, and they don’t have a long-standing reputation on the PGA Tour or in the world of golf to throw away.

From a golf fan’s perspective or commercial perspective, LIV doesn’t look too good, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they got smart enough people involved that knew all this was coming and potentially got long-term plans ready. Perhaps not Norman or those making the headlines, but people behind the scenes. With the amount of money they can put on the table, they can surely get hold of some very knowledgable people. And considering how much they already have invested and are willing to invest, throwing in the towel at this point would strike me as strange. For all we know, they could already be considering LIV a success.

This isn’t soccer. Soccer has revenue. They bought an established team.

LIV made no real revenue. Norman thinks they’re going to sell a lot of merchandise.

All the people leaving signal that they don’t see it as a success currently.

[DeadMan]

How dumb is James Hahn?

Holy shit. 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, DeadMan said:

How dumb is James Hahn?

Uhhhhhh…

[ChetlovesMer]

On 2/14/2023 at 6:06 PM, DeadMan said:

How dumb is James Hahn?

Holy shit. 

There is no doubt, James, that would be pretty cool. 

I'm going out on a limb here, that doesn't "feel" very likely. 

Kind of like how Dennis Rodman was able to really help Kim Jong Un see the light...

[turtleback]

On 2/10/2023 at 8:53 AM, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two more just sold their souls to the bonesaw exhibition. Sebastian Munoz Mito Pereira.

Good riddance. 

Who DAT?