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24 minutes ago, Shindig said:

Has anyone played a course that has two greens for one or more holes, each of which could be used any given day?  If so, does the system recognize both as greens?

I have not. You should write to them to check what the situation is for your specific course.

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1 hour ago, iacas said:

I have not. You should write to them to check what the situation is for your specific course.

Will do.

As I was writing to them, this popped up: 

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This article is relevant for V3, G3, H4 and ProLx+ users only. The article will explain what the double green feature is and how it works.   If you are playing a course that has holes with multiple...

So the good news is their GPS knows about multiple greens.  That's all well and good, and if the strokes gained computation is right (it treats a shot from on a green as being on a green, without trying to prescribe which green, etc), that settles that problem for me (I wrote to them acknowledging the above article and asking about the related issue).

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So, got word back from ShotScope:

  • I'll have a 15% promo code coming (it will be good for only a week or two, so follow this topic with instant notification if you're interested).
  • They'll set up an affiliate link, too, for when the promo ends.
  • The person in charge of both is on vacation, so this will happen soon but not immediately.
  • I set up a TST-specific leaderboard. More below (MSKNJZ).
  • They cannot currently create a round manually. They will report this to the development team.
  • Regarding sharing a round, you can use the "share your round" feature to share an image via social media: https://support.shotscope.com/hc/en-us/articles/4411140829073-How-to-share-selected-stats-holes-and-scorecards-to-social-media. More on this below…
  • Also, they're aware of the SSL certificate issue they're having with their site, and hope to have it resolved soon.

To join our leaderboard…

  1. Go to https://dashboard.shotscope.com/Content/statichtml/leaderboards.html or do it in the app.
  2. Click the "Join or create new leaderboard".
  3. Enter the six-character code: MSKNJZ .

Please do. It'll be good to see the rest of you in there.

Regarding "sharing" rounds…

  • It just shares an image. The image can be:
    • Of a photo you took with a hole or round title.
    • Of the four categories (driving, approach, short game, putting) relative to some benchmark (see below).
    • Of the scorecard (showing pars, birdies, bogeys, etc. in different colors).
    • Of an overhead view of a "map," but just of a single hole.
  • They're all just images, though. They're not interactive in the way that GAME Golf "rounds" were.
  • The most useful is probably this one, IMO, the "comparison" one:

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(This is reduced to 50% size. Normally this would have been 2160 x 1680.)

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Nice.  I'll be buying via the promo when it's here. 

I heard back this morning from support.  They confirmed that the double green feature, for post-round analysis, works the way I want it to, and specifically confirmed that the course (one of the most common ones I play) that caused trouble with GG is mapped as having two greens on their product! :-)  

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I will, in all likelihood, buy with the promo code. Thanks, @iacas!

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2 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

I will, in all likelihood, buy with the promo code. Thanks, @iacas!

I think you'll like it. There are some things that are worse than GG, but there are many, many things that are better. And some that are just different. The device is small, has a display with useful freaking information on it, the battery lasts a long time, and… rounds sync very, very quickly. Even at the end when GG was still allowing you to upload, rounds took minutes to sync.

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8 hours ago, Shindig said:

Nice.  I'll be buying via the promo when it's here. 

I heard back this morning from support.  They confirmed that the double green feature, for post-round analysis, works the way I want it to, and specifically confirmed that the course (one of the most common ones I play) that caused trouble with GG is mapped as having two greens on their product! :-)  

I'll likely do the same.  I do miss GG and having my stats handy rather than calculating things myself even though the tagging seems a bit cumbersome.

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8 hours ago, iacas said:

Regarding "sharing" rounds…

  • It just shares an image. The image can be:
    • Of a photo you took with a hole or round title.
    • Of the four categories (driving, approach, short game, putting) relative to some benchmark (see below).
    • Of the scorecard (showing pars, birdies, bogeys, etc. in different colors).
    • Of an overhead view of a "map," but just of a single hole.
  • They're all just images, though. They're not interactive in the way that GAME Golf "rounds" were.
  • The most useful is probably this one, IMO, the "comparison" one:

image.png

(This is reduced to 50% size. Normally this would have been 2160 x 1680.)

I didn’t know there was a share round function. I can think of a few uses for single hole (Birdie Challenge or Best Shot of the Week) and the scorecard (Breaking X Score, No Sixes). I suppose it might be slightly easier than how I used to do it with Game Golf, which is print screen on my pc, paste & edit on paint. Overall the sharing feature is not as good as Game Golf, though.

Bill

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1 hour ago, billchao said:

I didn’t know there was a share round function. I can think of a few uses for single hole (Birdie Challenge or Best Shot of the Week) and the scorecard (Breaking X Score, No Sixes). I suppose it might be slightly easier than how I used to do it with Game Golf, which is print screen on my pc, paste & edit on paint. Overall the sharing feature is not as good as Game Golf, though.

That’s just Windows sucking.

The Mac has had great screenshotting built in for a long time.

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18 minutes ago, dennyjones said:

I joined the leaderboard

Great! For you and others.

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On 6/28/2022 at 9:12 AM, iacas said:

So, got word back from ShotScope:

  • I'll have a 15% promo code coming (it will be good for only a week or two, so follow this topic with instant notification if you're interested).
  • They'll set up an affiliate link, too, for when the promo ends.
  • The person in charge of both is on vacation, so this will happen soon but not immediately.
  • I set up a TST-specific leaderboard. More below (MSKNJZ).
  • They cannot currently create a round manually. They will report this to the development team.
  • Regarding sharing a round, you can use the "share your round" feature to share an image via social media: https://support.shotscope.com/hc/en-us/articles/4411140829073-How-to-share-selected-stats-holes-and-scorecards-to-social-media. More on this below…
  • Also, they're aware of the SSL certificate issue they're having with their site, and hope to have it resolved soon.

To join our leaderboard…

  1. Go to https://dashboard.shotscope.com/Content/statichtml/leaderboards.html or do it in the app.
  2. Click the "Join or create new leaderboard".
  3. Enter the six-character code: MSKNJZ .

Please do. It'll be good to see the rest of you in there.

Regarding "sharing" rounds…

  • It just shares an image. The image can be:
    • Of a photo you took with a hole or round title.
    • Of the four categories (driving, approach, short game, putting) relative to some benchmark (see below).
    • Of the scorecard (showing pars, birdies, bogeys, etc. in different colors).
    • Of an overhead view of a "map," but just of a single hole.
  • They're all just images, though. They're not interactive in the way that GAME Golf "rounds" were.
  • The most useful is probably this one, IMO, the "comparison" one:

image.png

(This is reduced to 50% size. Normally this would have been 2160 x 1680.)

Please let me know when you've joined our leaderboard.

I’m having trouble with the dashboard. I’m using the same login as my app and main site and it’s telling me my login is incorrect. I will have to contact them.

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It could just be the SSL issue.

But let us know what they say.

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Can you join more than one leaderboard?

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39 minutes ago, DrvFrShow said:

Can you join more than one leaderboard?

Yes.

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