2013 WGC-Cadillac Championship at Doral Discussion Thread

[rehmwa]

Originally Posted by RonTheSavage

Tiger with 9 birdies today............so far.

I keep going to golf channel site, but the scoring summary seems to be all screwed up.

Glad someone here has the info.  Front 9 must have been a birdie fest for a lot of players??

edit:  looks better now...really stacked up on the good scores, it'll be a fun one

[Beachcomber]

Tiger 66. If he plays like that this week. Watch out!!

[jamo]

Andres Romero is tied for the lead at the opposite field event in Pierto Rico. Angel Cabrera is two back, as is Jon Curran, who was a high school teammate of Keegan Bradley.

[preisman]

Good round from Tiger, if he continues playing this good he will have a great week.

[David in FL]

Anyone wondering if you can use a higher bounce wedge off of a tight lie needs to watch the replay of Phil's sand wedge off the concrete cart path on 17..... To 6 feet and drains the putt. Just another par.

[clutchshot]

Tiger is looking great this year, I'm really hoping to see a major win, if he wants to beat 18, he really needs to get one soon. Rory is another favorite of mine, but I must admit, this is not the Rory we saw last year. I don't know what has changed, I don't believe it's the equipment, this guy is good enough that he should be able to make birdies with a Walter Hagan set, but something has... For this one, I'm thinking Tiger or Bubba for the win.

[Dave2512]

Boy they tore that place up today. Made it look easy.

[David in FL]

Boy they tore that place up today. Made it look easy.

Perfect day, but even so, these guys are just stupid good.....!

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by David in FL

Anyone wondering if you can use a higher bounce wedge off of a tight lie needs to watch the replay of Phil's sand wedge off the concrete cart path on 17..... To 6 feet and drains the putt. Just another par.

How far was he out?  Was it a full shot or a pitch shot?  Did he open the face?

[Chilli Dipper]

Anyone wondering if you can use a higher bounce wedge off of a tight lie needs to watch the replay of Phil's sand wedge off the concrete cart path on 17..... To 6 feet and drains the putt. Just another par.

Actually, that was a birdie, and Phil's tee shot rode the path for a good 50 yards further from where he received a free drop.

[Beachcomber]

Originally Posted by David in FL

Anyone wondering if you can use a higher bounce wedge off of a tight lie needs to watch the replay of Phil's sand wedge off the concrete cart path on 17..... To 6 feet and drains the putt. Just another par.

Originally Posted by bplewis24

How far was he out?  Was it a full shot or a pitch shot?  Did he open the face?

FYI... Phil didn't use bounce.  After the round they asked him how he played the shot - and he said on that shot - he never wants to use bounce.  He actually squares the face - and picks it off the path with a 'shallow' almost zeroed out angle of attack pitch.

So no... This wasn't the 'new' pitching method that he used - or is being discussed on this site.

[Golfingdad]

FYI... Phil didn't use bounce.  After the round they asked him how he played the shot - and he said on that shot - he never wants to use bounce.  He actually squares the face - and picks it off the path with a 'shallow' almost zeroed out angle of attack pitch. So no... This wasn't the 'new' pitching method that he used - or is being discussed on this site.

I think David's point was that having a wedge with a lot of bounce is useful for all shots even if you don't use it. Assuming Phil's wedge has a lot of bounce it proves that there is never a need for a wedge with little bounce.

[phan52]

I think David's point was that having a wedge with a lot of bounce is useful for all shots even if you don't use it. Assuming Phil's wedge has a lot of bounce it proves that there is never a need for a wedge with little bounce.

Yeah, because we can all play it like Phil. Awesome leaderboard.

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by Beachcomber

FYI... Phil didn't use bounce.  After the round they asked him how he played the shot - and he said on that shot - he never wants to use bounce.  He actually squares the face - and picks it off the path with a 'shallow' almost zeroed out angle of attack pitch.

So no... This wasn't the 'new' pitching method that he used - or is being discussed on this site.

Shallow AoA, picking it would "expose" or utilize the bounce the most.  Hands more forward, more leading edge.

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

I think David's point was that having a wedge with a lot of bounce is useful for all shots even if you don't use it. Assuming Phil's wedge has a lot of bounce it proves that there is never a need for a wedge with little bounce.

Correct never a need for low bounce.  Bounce doesn't actually "bounce" off the ground, just helps the club glide through the turf.  Makes sure the club doesn't "stick" in the ground.  Bounce is very beneficial off tight lies, like that video of me hitting off the putting green.  Like Phil said he hit behind the ball.  Can see that with the pics below.  And you can obviously use the bounce with a square face.  The cart path shot really isn't that hard shot in terms of hitting it solid, kind of like hitting off a lie board.

Here's the video

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by mvmac

Shallow AoA, picking it would "expose" or utilize the bounce the most.  Hands more forward, more leading edge.

Correct never a need for low bounce.  Bounce doesn't actually "bounce" off the ground, just helps the club glide through the turf.  Makes sure the club doesn't "stick" in the ground.  Bounce is very beneficial off tight lies, like that video of me hitting off the putting green.  Like Phil said he hit behind the ball.  Can see that with the pics below.  And you can obviously use the bounce with a square face.  The cart path shot really isn't that hard shot in terms of hitting it solid, kind of like hitting off a lie board.

Here's the video

That's cool, but I'd like to see just one more picture ... the bottom of the club after the shot. ;)

[iacas]

Phil's club actually hits the cart path twice. Once before contacting the ball, then again when the ball makes it deflect downward. Lots of room under the ball even with bounce. Not a super wide sole is all.

[Golfingdad]

Phil's club actually hits the cart path twice. Once before contacting the ball, then again when the ball makes it deflect downward. Lots of room under the ball even with bounce. Not a super wide sole is all.

Ah, that makes sense because there was clearly two scuffs on the path after the shot. Interesting.

[Chas]

As Chamblee pointed out on TGC, Rory was uncharacteristically making many practice swings or part swings before the full stroke. But at least for the tee shot they showed in slowmo, his actual backswing in the completed stroke did not recapitulate his practice backswing, not even close. I can relate to that.