2013 Players at TPC Sawgrass, Tiger and Sergio Feud Discussion Thread

[Rick Martin]

Originally Posted by Zeph

The video footage can't really prove anything, since the blimp it was shot from is not directly over the hole. I was thinking at the time that the drop seemed strange, especially judging by what the commentators said, but without a better angle, you can't tell.

Agree -

And you gotta love Johnny Miller for speaking his mind. Something tells me that TW won't be please with Johnny's commentary.   Looking forward to NBC's US Open coverage.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Rick Martin

All the camera angles are off, but it did seem that the commentators initially backed up that the ball didn't cross the h20 hazard. Even looking at google map of the hole, it really doesn't seem like the ball had a chance of carrying over any land. Very suspicious drop. Thanks for providing the yahoo link.

The commentators can't see anything, they're not on the course, and the one who was said the drop was valid.

Furthermore, a Google Maps of the hole perfectly well validates that if the ball started well to the right and hooked high and left it would have been across land for a LONG time.

Also, he dropped 60 yards back of where he splashed.

[boogielicious]

Originally Posted by iacas

The commentators can't see anything, they're not on the course, and the one who was said the drop was valid.

Furthermore, a Google Maps of the hole perfectly well validates that if the ball started well to the right and hooked high and left it would have been across land for a LONG time.

Also, he dropped 60 yards back of where he splashed.

Logic will not appease the conspiracy theory folks!

[Rick Martin]

Originally Posted by boogielicious

Logic will not appease the conspiracy theory folks!

Because we all know that Tiger Woods would never make a mistake when taking a drop.

[Ernest Jones]

Because we all know that Tiger Woods would never make a mistake when taking a drop.

I don't think anyone is debating that. We all saw Tiger make a mistake with his drop at the Masters, some claim he is a cheater, others (including ALL the Ruling Bodies) disagree. In THIS case his competitor (the guy playing AGAINST him) agreed with the location of the drop. What more can you ask for?

[Zeph]

I don't know exactly where he dropped, but it's definitely possible to hit that shot.

[barryb]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html

It looks that way if you view the second video.

[Rick Martin]

Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

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Originally Posted by Rick Martin

Because we all know that Tiger Woods would never make a mistake when taking a drop.

I don't think anyone is debating that. We all saw Tiger make a mistake with his drop at the Masters, some claim he is a cheater, others (including ALL the Ruling Bodies) disagree.

In THIS case his competitor (the guy playing AGAINST him) agreed with the location of the drop. What more can you ask for?

Abu Dhabi as well, he incorrectly took a drop because he thought his ball was imbedded.

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I'd have liked Rolfing to make an absolute call from the get go - by his commentary, he didn't give me the impression that the ball carried any turf.  Only later was he absolutely certain.

[noSnowman]

Because we all know that Tiger Woods would never make a mistake when taking a drop.

u B right B-) Further back a ok further up even better So the commentators on the course can't see it but the players can :-D

[Deryck Griffith]

Originally Posted by Zeph

I don't know exactly where he dropped, but it's definitely possible to hit that shot.

Everyone is going about this drop like it was some sort of advantage?  With the tees "up" on Sunday, the drive was approx. 170-190 yards based on where he took his drop.  Also, has everyone forgot the stance he had?  The ball was 2 or so feet above his shoes, in the deep rough about 250+ yards away from the green.  How the hell is that a drop with an advantage?  AND on top of that, he still made a double bogey ANYWAY.

The level of "idiot" in people never seems to surprise me.

[Valleygolfer]

Originally Posted by Rick Martin

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Originally Posted by barryb

It looks that way, if you watch the second video in the story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html

All the camera angles are off, but it did seem that the commentators initially backed up that the ball didn't cross the h20 hazard. Even looking at google map of the hole, it really doesn't seem like the ball had a chance of carrying over any land. Very suspicious drop. Thanks for providing the yahoo link.

Rick you are in the Army no? It sure seems like we pay you a lot to be on youtube and the forum all day.

I saw the video where SG was asked about the shot but it didn't seem like he was whinning too much.

Can we get a "stickie" called "Tiger trolls and haters" so the mods can just throw stupid comments in there and they can have their place on the site to shit the bed?

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage

How many times has Tiger stopped in the middle of his down swing because of an idiot photographer?

Tiger is a freak of nature and I have yet to see anybody else anywhere, ever, do that.  Regardless, it's certainly not something anybody should be expected to have to do.

John Daly did it a few years ago and pulled a muscle in his rib cage putting him on the shelf for a couple of months.

Originally Posted by austin

Tiger Woods-Probably the greatest golf who ever lived, and just as big an *******. I'm with Sergio. And, he signed an incorrect scorecard at the Masters and should have been disqualified. He took an 8 on 14 at the Masters and signed for a 6.  This is not rocket science; he was disqualified. Anybody else does that at the Masters; they're gone. I don't care what anybody says, it was bullshit clear and simple. After the wimpy tournament officials ruled in his favor, Tiger could have still made it right by withdrawing. I, and many others, would have greatly respected that, and he would have been well on the way to salvaging the public's perception of his character. But, I forgot, Tiger doesn't give a damn about that. So be it, Tiger. Win all the tournaments you want, and by the way, you still haven't beaten Jack's major record, and at the end of the day, all you are is an ******* who can play golf.

Another one post hate rant.  Join just to get your licks in on Tiger.  You must have a wonderful life if that you only way of getting your kicks.

Originally Posted by walk18

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Originally Posted by MSchott

Everyone at the time agreed as to were Tiger dropped. There is no controversy. You don't have the time to look at videos in the middle of the round.

If no controversy then why the thread/title??

The only controversy is in the fantasies that these haters dream up every time Tiger tees it up.  I'm reposting the comment I made a couple of pages back, as it seems equally appropriate here.

Originally Posted by Fourputt

...some people here are like a terrier holding one end of a rope toy.  He won't let go even when he's hanging off the ground by his teeth.  He has no idea why he does it, but he just can't let go.  He is going to keep pulling until you let go, and then he will think that he won, never realizing that you simply got tired of the game.

[Zwick]

Originally Posted by Rick Martin

I'd have liked Rolfing to make an absolute call from the get go - by his commentary, he didn't give me the impression that the ball carried any turf.  Only later was he absolutely certain.

Why do you think that Casey Wittenberg and his Caddie are liars? That's basically what you are implying.

[Rick Martin]

Originally Posted by Valleygolfer

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Originally Posted by Rick Martin

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Originally Posted by barryb

It looks that way, if you watch the second video in the story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html

All the camera angles are off, but it did seem that the commentators initially backed up that the ball didn't cross the h20 hazard. Even looking at google map of the hole, it really doesn't seem like the ball had a chance of carrying over any land. Very suspicious drop. Thanks for providing the yahoo link.

Rick you are in the Army no? It sure seems like we pay you a lot to be on youtube and the forum all day.

I saw the video where SG was asked about the shot but it didn't seem like he was whinning too much.

Can we get a "stickie" called "Tiger trolls and haters" so the mods can just throw stupid comments in there and they can have their place on the site to shit the bed?

Army, no, you're mistaken.
Tiger hater - still mistaken.

[Rick Martin]

Originally Posted by Zwick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Martin

I'd have liked Rolfing to make an absolute call from the get go - by his commentary, he didn't give me the impression that the ball carried any turf.  Only later was he absolutely certain.

Why do you think that Casey Wittenberg and his Caddie are liars? That's basically what you are implying.

Would never call a tour rookie playing w/ the game's great a liar -

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by barryb

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html

It looks that way if you view the second video.

A video made by a conspiracy theorist who "has dedicated himself to clearing Joe Paterno's name in the Penn State scandal."

And I'm saying conspiracy theorist, because anybody who suggests that Wittenberg or his caddy was not going to be fair in their judgment is suggesting that they are complicit in Tiger's cheating.  Both of those notions are beyond absurd.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by albatross

Oh give me a break.  Yea, Tiger doesn't know the difference between the marshals and the escorts.  Laughable.

For god's sake, I didn't mean the people standing near tiger would walk and clap, I meant the other people at the ropes on the other of the fairway when Sergio hit.  Even with the people standing around him, you can see large groups of people moving.

You aren't going to convince me that Tiger didn't make up the point about asking the Marshal if Sergio already hit. The entire interaction is on tape and it didn't happen.  Is this whole incident a big deal?  Absolutely not. I think Sergio is being a baby, but I also think that Tiger making this up, shows us another small part of his character.  Tiger Woods knows who the marshals on the course are.  Have you been to a PGA Tour event?  It's obvious even to the spectators who the marshals are.

Clever escort comment, however.

It's possible he was lying, but it's also possible he isn't...and it's possible he misconstrued some interaction with some official as being given the go-ahead.

I'm going to amend some prior statements because I was mostly going off of the post where somebody quoted somebody saying that the marshal's comments were taken out of context.  But it doesn't really look like they were taken out of context to me.  Either way, I believe this is still being blown out of proportion.

Originally Posted by Rick Martin

All the camera angles are off, but it did seem that the commentators initially backed up that the ball didn't cross the h20 hazard. Even looking at google map of the hole, it really doesn't seem like the ball had a chance of carrying over any land. Very suspicious drop. Thanks for providing the yahoo link.

This guy is awesome.  From this video I have learned that hitting a pop-up hook is not physically possible...even for Tiger Woods.  I've also learned that dropping 255 yards away from a par 4 is not "way back."

[noSnowman]

I just watched the video again....woods does not even watch his ball flight...he turns away from it...it went out over der....watch it, he turns his back to it